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Title: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on March 22, 2019, 06:38:29 PM
Hi

Introducing myself and my latest project. I'm a little Mustang crazy. I own 4 Mustangs, a 65 Hertz GT350 fastback replica, 2019 Bullit, 2017 Lightening Blue GT coupe and my latest purchase 69 Convertible. I've had the 65 Hertz replica for 8 years. 

The project car is a 69 convertible. This car will be the focus of this thread. It is a Californian car that was imported to Australia 2 years ago by the guy i bought it from. It was garaged for 20 odd years. It is currently an I6 200ci 3 speed manual. Drums all round. Original colour was meadowlark yellow with deluxe white trim inside. Its build date was 13 Nov 1968 which i believe just gets this car in before the Australia ADR date of 1 January 1969.

As the car is not a valuable low volume or rare car i'm going for a Restomod build.

Plan is to do the following
302 V8 with rebuilt iron heads, holley striker EFI
AOD 4 speed transmission
8 inch diff with disc rear
Coil over disc front end (looking at RRS)
Back to metal body restoration looking at the Lexus Infra red as the paint finish
Interior i think i will go a custom job rather than TMI
Dakota Digital instruments

One outstanding item is the steering. I was originally thinking rack and pinion from RRS but the local muscle car guy says to go the Borgeson Power Steering pump. What is everyone's thoughts on this.

I want the car to drive not trailer around. For example i just did a road trip in the 65 up through the Snowy Mountains. had a great time but the engine gets hot going up hills and the drums overheat going down hills. The original steering is OK but vague and you need to really concentrate otherwise it goes off line quickly. I want the 69 to drive like a modern mustang but have the charm of a classic mustang so road trips are more comfortable.

I will post lots of photos of the car as is. The best thing is the car is very straight and has no rust (not that anyone can see yet).

I know it's not going to be cheap but hey, we only live once!
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: fredm666 on March 22, 2019, 07:00:02 PM
G'day and welcome!

it looks like an interesting project and I think you definitely need a power steering.
I don't have one on my car, but mine is a stock V8, so a power steering is not really needed at this stage. I saw the Borgeson a lot in all the parts stores.
Definitely someone more experienced than me will give you some advice.

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on March 22, 2019, 08:05:21 PM
Borgeson is for LHD.

Are converting it to RHD?
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: mwizz on March 22, 2019, 08:55:02 PM
Welcome to the forum. Looking forward to seeing the pics.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on March 23, 2019, 09:17:48 AM
Here are photos of the car before work begin

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_0771_zpsddagqax4.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_0771_zpsddagqax4.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6913_zpsokwatane.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6913_zpsokwatane.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6892_zpsllfe0gr1.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6892_zpsllfe0gr1.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6907_zpsh38yg9qi.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6907_zpsh38yg9qi.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on March 29, 2019, 07:29:22 PM
 Thanks everyone for responses. To answer the question i will be keeping it LHD.

Did some research with some mustang mechanics and the Borgeson pump is the way . The mechanic has changed racks to borgeson steering pump in early 60's mustangs and all the owners are happier with the set up.

Also pretty sure i will go with the TCP suspension kit with upper and lower arms. http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/fcoc-fd.html (http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/fcoc-fd.html)

So today marked day one of the work on the car. Here are some more pics.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6972_zpsxclq7frc.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6972_zpsxclq7frc.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6968_zpssjasd2gj.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6968_zpssjasd2gj.jpg.html)
Looks like a factory sheet for interior options. Anyone seen something like this before?

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6973_zpsh0gnt47a.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6973_zpsh0gnt47a.jpg.html)
Drivers seat looks like its been redone at some stage
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6976_zps8vdcgvlj.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6976_zps8vdcgvlj.jpg.html)
New carpet was stuck down over the original car

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6977_zpsyxamvuv5.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6977_zpsyxamvuv5.jpg.html)
Drivers side floor pan very clean no rust  :thumb:
If you look closer there is a sheet of paper stuck to the floor. Its all brown and no legible writing on it. What do you think this is?

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6978_zpszolizk5g.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6978_zpszolizk5g.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6980_zpsun8sngxz.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6980_zpsun8sngxz.jpg.html)

Passenger side not looking as good. The heater has been disconnected so i suspect the rust has come from a leaking heater unit.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6983_zps1jqk95oc.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6983_zps1jqk95oc.jpg.html)

Got stuck into it with the wire brush. The rust was only surface.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6985_zpswqudmnzk.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6985_zpswqudmnzk.jpg.html)

Got the wire brush on the drill and it cleaned up great.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6986_zpsiwldokgp.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6986_zpsiwldokgp.jpg.html)

Floor pans look original to me. Can anybody tell?

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6987_zpsvkylhv69.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6987_zpsvkylhv69.jpg.html)

Underside of the dashpad. Looks like some factory markings.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6988_zpsyvsnpqtt.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6988_zpsyvsnpqtt.jpg.html)

Tomorrow i plan to remove all the heater and other dash items

cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: malscar on March 29, 2019, 08:39:01 PM
That sheet of paper in the footwell was most likely the factory build sheet. Shame it is like it is as it would have told you how the car left the factory.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: 67FBGT on March 29, 2019, 08:48:34 PM
But there's another build sheet remnant in the seat springs. Retrieve and preserve it as best you can.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on March 29, 2019, 10:51:41 PM
If you haven't bought your running gear yet, this might be worth having a look at:

Ford Windsor engine/AOD 4 speed transmission combination,
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mooroolbark/engine-engine-parts-transmission/ford-windsor-engine-aod-4-speed-transmission-combination/1214104073?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android

Price: $950 Negotiable
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on March 30, 2019, 06:17:52 PM
Thanks for the link dwayne. I have a windsor 302 which will get rebuilt but still yet to source the AOD. Probably go with a fully rebuilt AOD to suit my application.

Got stuck into the dash area today.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6994_zpsh1xx64gg.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6994_zpsh1xx64gg.jpg.html)

Heater core was definitely the cause of the rust on the passenger side

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6997_zpsnno0loe5.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6997_zpsnno0loe5.jpg.html)

The FM radio in the car is a ford part.

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_6998_zps7hvzcgra.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_6998_zps7hvzcgra.jpg.html)

(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7000_zpsf9ujie2u.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7000_zpsf9ujie2u.jpg.html)

That's it for today. Hope to get a little more done tomorrow.

If anyone is looking to buy a 200 ci 6 cylinder or a 3 speed manual gear box let me know. I have an ad on gumtree.

cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: 6t9m1 on March 30, 2019, 10:18:29 PM
 :leaving:
Pm sent
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 01, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
How much will a body rotisserie need at both ends of the car for the 69 body? I'm trying to figure out if it would fit in my garage?

How heavy would the body be with no drive line? Anyone know.

cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: 69candy on April 01, 2019, 08:17:41 PM
Cool project. My 69 was on a rotisserie without engine , interior, body shell basically, Mounted via the bumper mounts front and rear.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on April 01, 2019, 08:35:55 PM
If space is a big issue (mine is) then consider something like this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/5jGTtQYt/50286158-2134800149915408-8456403719464943616-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5jGTtQYt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qtRxnQWH/50623532-2306348439599731-3867633610714513408-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtRxnQWH)
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 02, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
thx dwayne i will investigate that as a option. Only needs to be for a short time while i clean and paint underneath.

What does everyone use underneath their Mustangs to protect the chassis and body? i'm a novice when it comes to car restoration as the last car i did up was a 66 Falcon XP when i was in university back in the early 1990's.

 
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on April 02, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
There's a marine etch primer in the red oxide colour that is really good. Shaun will probably remember the name of it.

I'm using 3M underbody deadener on mine.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 02, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
So first you spray the etch primer and then the 3m Kahguard?
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on April 02, 2019, 11:00:44 AM
So first you spray the etch primer and then the 3m Kahguard?

Yes, always need a good epoxy primer over bare metal. 

I think the brand is Intergard, but can't remember which one. It's a marine grade etch, so extremely high quality.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 04, 2019, 07:10:49 PM
Working away stripping the car. Will post more photos on the weekend.

Does anyone in Melbourne have a dolly for a 69/70 mustang? Thought I would ask before getting one made

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 15, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
Still chipping away on the striping of the car.

(https://oi1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7002_zps4fszh4rl.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7002_zps4fszh4rl.jpg.html)

Bit hard to tell below but this is the inside of the passenger door. It's been drilled, pulled out and filled. Will probably buy a new door.

(https://oi1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7005_zps5qvz2xzy.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7005_zps5qvz2xzy.jpg.html)

Cowl area has some surface rust but it will clean up fine.

(https://oi1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7009_zpsxm1vyjyy.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7009_zpsxm1vyjyy.jpg.html)

No nasties in the back seat area

(https://oi1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7012_zpsdnxc9sch.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7012_zpsdnxc9sch.jpg.html)

Could do with some help in what brakes to go with. Will being converting to 4 wheel disc brakes. I like the look of painted red calipers. Not going for huge horsepower with a fairly standard 302 rebuild. Should i go local with the likes of Hoppers Stoppers or get Baer or Wilwood  kits? What do i need to know before making a decision?
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Reborn67 on April 15, 2019, 03:40:02 PM
 Your final rim sizes will dictate what brake sizes you can and can't use, time to do some homework..,

 Not to mention the tyre choices you will find, as you may have read here lately, :bolt:

 I like yourself have not long started a full body strip down, so there will not be anything left untouched,  Have come to the obvious conclusion that 14" wheels are not in the picture and have my reservations now about 15" too, so that will open up my disc options considerably, so l may start looking at disc set options and work back from there...,
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on April 16, 2019, 08:30:26 AM
I think i will be going with a 17 x 8 rim for the car so will have plenty of brake options to choose from.

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on April 16, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
Mustang Steve has good kits for front & rear conversions.

https://www.mustangsteve.com/cobrabrakeshtml/ (https://www.mustangsteve.com/cobrabrakeshtml/)
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: BAC on April 16, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
I think i will be going with a 17 x 8 rim for the car so will have plenty of brake options to choose from.

Good wheel choice for a '69 - will give you plenty of brake and tyre options. 

I had Baer 4 wheel discs on my big block Mach 1 and I reckon they looked pretty good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on August 19, 2019, 04:25:34 PM
Hi, its been awhile sine my last update. The car has been stripped down and is now at the panel shop for phase 1 work. (Strip paint, epoxy, paint underneath and engine bay paint.

I've spent time restoring parts that will be reused. Must say i'm a big fan of Evaporust. Some photos for you.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7023_zpsk7tksb3k.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7023_zpsk7tksb3k.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7043_zpsyt2cktrv.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7043_zpsyt2cktrv.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_7044_zpsqylfxe4j.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_7044_zpsqylfxe4j.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/58244040995__9549C178-2708-4149-A8BC-50EFD4E44DD7_zps9zfcxeqp.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/58244040995__9549C178-2708-4149-A8BC-50EFD4E44DD7_zps9zfcxeqp.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1281_zpsafjheos2.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1281_zpsafjheos2.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1277_zps3jdyxlgt.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1277_zps3jdyxlgt.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1237_zpslklxkgkj.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1237_zpslklxkgkj.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1317_zpslxzxprxv.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1317_zpslxzxprxv.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1321_zpssqnlqzmp.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1321_zpssqnlqzmp.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1377_zpsfpu8qljj.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1377_zpsfpu8qljj.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1379_zpsbmgroxmg.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1379_zpsbmgroxmg.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1378_zps7rrchxee.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1378_zps7rrchxee.jpg.html)

The panel shop guy said the car had 4 layers of Paint. Original yellow, bright yellow, dark gray then red. The panels are in great nick and even the door that has been repaired doesn't have that much "bog" in it.  :thumb:

I have a couple of questions that you maybe able to help me with.

i am installing borgeson power steering box. When i order new steering parts do i order Manual or power steering set up? The original car was manual.

I have both original 6 cylinder drum spindles and also have 1970 v8 disc spindles (pictured above). Which spindles should i go with for v8 engine and disc brake upgrade? The main differences i see are different tie rod size and 3 vs 4 bolt pattern.

Appreciate your assistance.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: GEOFF289 on August 19, 2019, 05:16:23 PM

I have a couple of questions that you maybe able to help me with.

i am installing borgeson power steering box. When i order new steering parts do i order Manual or power steering set up? The original car was manual.

I have both original 6 cylinder drum spindles and also have 1970 v8 disc spindles (pictured above). Which spindles should i go with for v8 engine and disc brake upgrade? The main differences i see are different tie rod size and 3 vs 4 bolt pattern.

Appreciate your assistance.

The Borgeson kit is designed to be used with manual steer setup. A car with original power steering has to have the drag link changed to a manual one.

If you're sticking with original style brake and suspension setup use the V8 spindles.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: mwizz on August 19, 2019, 07:52:25 PM
Great work, loving the build.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on August 20, 2019, 10:25:21 AM
Thank Geoff for the advice, very helpful.

Cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Megzee67 on August 23, 2019, 06:51:16 PM
nice work so far.....
There is a great booklet called Boss 302 Racing modifications aimed primarily at making stock modifications to 69's to put them on the track back in the day.....relatively simple things like Shelby Drop, Shock tower gussets/ cross member gussets and plenty of various race inspired and simple mods aimed at strengthening and stiffening the front end etc....Nothing over the top $$$$ wise so maybe well worth considering before engine bay paint work......Results will be evident in the end...
I did a lot of the same mods to my 67 during the initial stages of my resto, including chassis rail connectors to remove the old ford sway and roll....

Following bare metal prep and epoxy prime, I used a sound deadener product called Lizard Skin for the undercarriage/ wheel arch areas and a separate LS Ceramic coating for all internal areas, followed by Dynamat......This stuff is tough...…and the car is super tight and quiet..
I went with RRS R&P LHD steering and pump assembly/RRS LCA's/ RRS adjustable srtuts....no complaints thus far
OH yeah, go the Hopper Stoppers so you have local support with a solid product....
all the best bro....
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on August 26, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
Thanks Megzee67 for your input  :thumb:

My plan for improving handling are

*shelby 1 inch drop
*sub frame connectors
*shock tower gusset
*1 piece export brace
*reinforced lower cross member

My intention for the car are daily driver so the above should be enough.

In addition to the above i'm planning on installing the roller bearing spring perches, idler arm from Open Track Racing and the Total Control Product Strut Rods.
 cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on August 26, 2019, 06:44:49 PM
Latest photos from panel shop.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1450_zpsfgdrj83n.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1450_zpsfgdrj83n.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1448_zpsedize4va.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1448_zpsedize4va.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1447_zpsg0ma404a.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1447_zpsg0ma404a.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1449_zpsaqbu6pp1.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1449_zpsaqbu6pp1.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1442_zpsgovemwnf.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1442_zpsgovemwnf.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1446_zpslco1vsn3.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1446_zpslco1vsn3.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1441_zps4q3nwwlu.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1441_zps4q3nwwlu.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1445_zps8tuls3cl.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1445_zps8tuls3cl.jpg.html)

Lets see if thats a bad rust repair under there?
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on August 26, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
Quick side note.

I was at a mates country holiday house the other week helping him clean out an old shed. I saved a couple of rush tools that he was going to throw out. i liked them as they looked old.

I soaked this old wrench in evorust and then gave it a quick wire brush. To my surprise the wrench was made by Ford.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1438_zpspntdo97g.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1438_zpspntdo97g.jpg.html)

Anyone ever seen tools made by Ford before?

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on September 09, 2019, 09:13:06 AM
The final stage of getting the body back to metal happened on the weekend.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1468_zpsddfwqczl.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1468_zpsddfwqczl.jpg.html)

Can't wait to see it sometime this week. To me this is now the start of the build
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Jason67 on September 09, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
 :pepper:  :evilone:
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: mwizz on September 09, 2019, 08:03:44 PM
Well done, great progress.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on September 10, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
Some more photos after blasting

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1475_zpsggrxwk1x.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1475_zpsggrxwk1x.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1479_zpsfphjmido.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1479_zpsfphjmido.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1478_zpsu4wswhzo.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1478_zpsu4wswhzo.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1476_zpsewoz3eid.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1476_zpsewoz3eid.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1474_zpso4bnzqpl.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1474_zpso4bnzqpl.jpg.html)

Couple of areas to repair

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1472_zpscizkyycs.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1472_zpscizkyycs.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1471_zpszl0a0rsh.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1471_zpszl0a0rsh.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1473_zpss6d7xvbn.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1473_zpss6d7xvbn.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1470_zpstt1cqzfk.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1470_zpstt1cqzfk.jpg.html)

Epoxy scheduled for completion in the next few days. Then metal work will begin.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Megzee67 on September 10, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
lookin great…..no jaw dropping rust surprises
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on September 16, 2019, 09:39:27 AM
Thx Megzee67

Only 2 rust repairs, rear wheel well in the pictures above and the battery shelf in the engine bay.

Should not take too long to knock the body straight. The one area that may take some effort is the trunk. The original fitment was not great so the lid does not sit straight. it will need some cutting and filling to square it up.

hopefully will post photos in next couple of days of the body in epoxy,

cheers
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on September 17, 2019, 10:02:38 AM
Body has first quick epoxy coat.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1502_zpsmomufupb.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1502_zpsmomufupb.jpg.html)

rust area where the battery goes that needs repairing

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1506_zpswfamhoob.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1506_zpswfamhoob.jpg.html)

outer shock tower braces ready to be welded in.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1509_zps8zhwtaob.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1509_zps8zhwtaob.jpg.html)

Boot lid stripped ready for epoxy

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1513_zpsjrbme127.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1513_zpsjrbme127.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Megzee67 on September 24, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
nice progress......Just a small tip before you weld in the shock tower gussets...….Cut the corner off of each lower gusset corner, only 8mm x 8mm to allow yourself to spray a coating product into the area behind the gusset once it is fully welded.
Otherwise this becomes an inaccessible void, and the welding process will leave bare steel in the area.
I picked this up when I did my dry fit...Hope it makes sense..
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on September 25, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
Thx Megzee67, great idea. Will take up your suggestion.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on October 04, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Body repairs have started. 2 sections cut out ready to repair

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1549_zpsaejtceyd.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1549_zpsaejtceyd.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1550_zpsxdu7gxzn.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1550_zpsxdu7gxzn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Jason67 on October 04, 2019, 09:19:23 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Marshall on October 07, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
I swapped a T5 for AOD in my 66 a year ago.  After checking out the options bought a totally rebuilt unit from Lentech.  They will upgrade to your specs, and have options which supposedly eliminate a couple of weak spots the AOD was known for.
I very pleased with the trans, drives very smooth.

Lentech (Canada) rebuilt AOD street cruiser. Model AOD-CRS. 12” non lock converter.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Marshall on October 07, 2019, 02:54:44 PM
Re AOD you also want to see this...  important info...

•Try to avoid pre-1988 models without rear-lube enhancement. It is likely that planet bushing damage may have already occurred, mandating expensive new gear-train parts as well as an updated output shaft.
•1992-93 E and F series trucks (those with AOD’s and not E4OD’s) contain the strongest production AOD transmissions. Included is the two-inch wide overdrive band (part of the Motorsport Wide Ratio Kit, which is highly recommended for full-throttle use of overdrive or towing in overdrive) and the now-famous "A" overdrive servo.
•All Thunderbird SC supercharged V-6 transmissions contain the "A" servo (its original application) and the strong H.O. V-8 style clutches but still use the 1.5-inch overdrive band.
•In situations other than those listed above, any 1988 or later V-8 AOD transmission (steer clear of the base V-6 units) should prove adequate for most AOD buildups. Base V-6 AOD units have the weakest "C" servo, and most V-8 units to include the H.O. Mustang have the "B" servo.

Also be aware that in 1991, production began on the AODE which is the computer controlled AOD, and was used from 1991-2004. So there was some overlap in production.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: jack67fb on October 07, 2019, 02:57:15 PM
great pics,following with interest.

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on October 08, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
Thanks Marshall

What diff ratio and wheel size are you running?

What is it like cruising on freeways?

Reason i ask as i have a 65 fastback with a c4 and 347 windsor and it does not like cruising on freeways at 110km for very long. I've 3.00 in the diff. Did the fit of the AOD require body modification?

Drive-ability is important to me as I like doing week long road trips once a year.

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Gallop on October 10, 2019, 02:18:45 PM
Does Marshall's car have modifications?

Check this - https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/1966-pro-touring-mustang-marshall-perron
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Dwayne on October 10, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
Seeing as you're doing major work to the car, can move standard floor crossmember back to correct position for the AOD box.

ShaunP has done this a couple of times.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on October 11, 2019, 10:26:44 AM
That's a fantastic car in the link. lots of great changes without changing the classic style of the car.

Thanks for heads up Dwayne. Does anyone have the measurements or photos of how the cross member needs to be altered? I won't have the engine/AOD ready to fit until after the underneath is done.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on October 18, 2019, 06:20:28 PM
Body repairs coming along.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1561_zpsbtj5qeza.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1561_zpsbtj5qeza.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1559_zpsxzydbwx2.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1559_zpsxzydbwx2.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1560_zpswet4ixdo.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1560_zpswet4ixdo.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1558_zpsisotvg1l.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1558_zpsisotvg1l.jpg.html)

Started the work on the engine rebuild. Step 1 stripping it down ready to send to machine shop.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1570_zpsjohav2v4.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1570_zpsjohav2v4.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1572_zpsgbwoakfx.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1572_zpsgbwoakfx.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1571_zpsbl5ugm9x.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1571_zpsbl5ugm9x.jpg.html)

Machine shop feedback not great. After cleaning in the tank and inspecting the block, this engine is too far gone.

I do have a 2nd block sitting here so have sent this off to see if it can be used instead. Fingers crossed otherwise will need to think about Plan B.

Will let you know how i go next week.
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Reborn67 on October 18, 2019, 06:38:38 PM
 Curious?  When you say the engine is too far gone, you mean the block or engine as a whole?  If it was the block, was it cracked, rusted out or just too worn in the cylinders,  Doing a rebuild myself and all i kept was the block, replaced everything else, even the pan..,
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on October 20, 2019, 10:29:19 AM
Thanks for the contribution reborn67

The engine block already had 40 thou over pistons and the cylinder walls would need another bore. The other 289 block i have is in better nick. i'm no engine expert so asking lots of questions and learning as i go.



 
Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: HRTZ65 on November 01, 2019, 02:20:33 PM
Been a busy week on the 69 convertible project.

AOD - after lengthy discussions with people more experienced in 60 & 70 muscle cars than I and arguing over the pros and cons of the AOD I've decided to continue on this path. I was then introduced to a transmission yoda who my contacts have used for many years and highly recommended. He has an AOD in his shop that he will completely rebuild with upgraded value bodies and other goodies to make a strong solid shifting AOD for my application.

Diff - Now that the transmission is sorted onto the diff. I'm going with 3.55 gears with true track centre. Its an 8 inch diff that came as additional parts when i bought the car. It will take some work getting it back to "as new" condition. Issues found bent axles, and collapsed spring mount. Both can be fixed. A drainage plug will be machined into the casing for improved serviceability and other upgraded parts to improve its reliability.

Engine - The machine shop has been too busy to assess the other block. They should get to it next week.

Brakes? Still can't make up my mind. I want 4 wheel disc brakes with nice red calipers. Looks is just as important as performance. I think it is down to Baer S4 or Wilwood. There are so many wilwood options its hard to work out which ones to choose. It also looks like all the suppliers in Australia don't have red caliper stock in Australia. I do like the Baer brakes but they are quite a bit more expensive.

Body update.The original car had terrible gaps between boot lid and rear quarters. If the gaps was set right for the boot lid across the panel on the back seat end then the left side would touch the quarter panel and the right side you could stick your finger through. With a little caressing the body shop got these results without unpicking the rear quarters.

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1596_zpsf7thbmar.jpg) (https://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1596_zpsf7thbmar.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1595_zpsadbdbysd.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1595_zpsadbdbysd.jpg.html)

(https://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/dworland/IMG_1594_zpspypjhnzv.jpg) (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/dworland/media/IMG_1594_zpspypjhnzv.jpg.html)

You can also see that body work to flatten rear quarters is underway.

i'm really pleased with the boot fitment

Title: Re: 69 Convertible Project by HRTZ65
Post by: Jason67 on November 03, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
 :thumb:
The boot looks much better now