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Title: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on October 16, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
 So what car polish do you use on your stang . Whats the best polish/wax  you have used .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 16, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
The word Polish can be a loose term. To actually polish a car you use a buffing machine with mostly foam pads and a good quality polish to clean and shine the paintwork. My favourite range of polishes are Menzerna, which will give your car paintwork a beautiful, swirl free shine.

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Menzerna Link -  http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&manufacturer_id=18&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&manufacturer_id=18&Itemid=1)

There are some polishes which can be used to hand polish a car, but that is extremely hard yacka. There are a few in the Meguiars range.

But once you have polished a car, you then need to protect that paint with either a wax or sealant. I suspect these are what you are referring to?

I once conducted a wax test using about 20 different waxes. There was a difference in their performance. Some were difficult to wipe off, others left residue in crevices and some left a better shine than others. My value for money favourite is called DP MaxWax which performed well in every way and only costs about $40. No1. favourite is called Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Wax which is also made in the USA and costs about $175.
See this Link -
http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-fuzion-carnauba-polymer-car-wax.html (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-fuzion-carnauba-polymer-car-wax.html)

Some people prefer a Sealant to a Wax. My favourite is ChemGuys Jetseal109. Gives a superb shine.
Link -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Auto_Detailing_Resin_Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Auto_Detailing_Resin_Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm)

If you are fussy about maintaining your nice, shiny paint - it is necessary to use a good quality washing detergent. My no1. is ChemGuys Citrus Wash & Gloss used together with a Chenille or Microfibre Mitt.
Link -
   http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm)

Unfortunately, this subject bores the shyte out of most people. It is not an easy job to keep that paintwork in pristine condition. For those interested, here is a Link to a US detailing forum
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/)

I buy a lot of car cleaning gear from Autogeek. Prices are excellent and if you specify shipping via US Postal Service, then shipping prices are reasonable.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on October 17, 2012, 12:44:15 AM
Great review Rod and well explained for us novices.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: tim_morrison82 on October 17, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
Wow, great response!

Saved to favourites!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Mudzy on October 17, 2012, 04:42:40 AM
Is it worth starting a car detailing section???????????
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on October 17, 2012, 07:20:44 AM
Is it worth starting a car detailing section???????????

Not a bad idea. It is always great to swap tips etc.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on October 17, 2012, 07:23:39 AM
Great info Rocket!

Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with Autoglym HD Wax? A detailer mate that deals in high end cars recommended it to me. I'm really impressed with the finish it gave me. Pretty pricey in Australia ($130 for a small tub) but managed to buy from the UK for $75 all up.
I'd be interested in how it compares to the products you've mentioned.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jbrucem1 on October 17, 2012, 07:38:34 AM
awesome rocket. I remember reading your review on the detailing forum. a huge effort
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 08:44:44 AM
Great info Rocket!

Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with Autoglym HD Wax? A detailer mate that deals in high end cars recommended it to me. I'm really impressed with the finish it gave me. Pretty pricey in Australia ($130 for a small tub) but managed to buy from the UK for $75 all up.
I'd be interested in how it compares to the products you've mentioned.

Evan.

Hi guys, I am pleasantly surprised by the responses in this thread. Maybe there is a lot of interest in this subject afterall.

Evan, Yes - The Autoglym HD Wax was certainly in my top ten. From memory it was very easy to apply, wiped off with very minimal resistance and did not leave any residue behind. My one criticism was that it did require a second buffing with the microfibre cloth because it left the surface a little hazy after the first attempt. Very minor though. It really did leave an excellent shine - particularly on red paint. Here is a review of the HD Wax -

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/106308-results-after-autoglym-hd-wax.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/106308-results-after-autoglym-hd-wax.html)

There were other impressive Waxes like Pinnacle, P21S, Collinite etc. Here is a Link to a few more Waxes from the Autogeek site. Scroll down to the bottom to see them -
http://www.autogeek.net/qude101.html (http://www.autogeek.net/qude101.html)

In the first post i neglected to mention Automotive Clay, which is used before polishing to clean oxidised paint. This is a very important step in the process. First you wash the car, then you simply break a piece off the clay bar, knead it in your hands and then squeeze it to form a sort of disc about the size of a 50cent piece.
Then you spray a bit of lubricant on the paint before rubbing the clay across the surface. The clay will lift out the impurities from the paint and leave a very smooth surface ready for polishing. To determine whether your paint needs claying, wipe your flat hand across the paintwork. If the paint feels coarse/rough - It needs a good claying. Here is a Link to a good quality clay bar -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Gray_Light_Duty_209_Gram_Auto_Detail_Clay_Bar_p/cly_kit_2.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Gray_Light_Duty_209_Gram_Auto_Detail_Clay_Bar_p/cly_kit_2.htm)

I am going to give the Grande a polish next week in preparation for the summer. Will take lots of photos and show the process on this thread if it is ok with Glenn.

By the way, for those who saw Dales 66 Hertz at the Roundup last year. His car received a 2 step Menzerna polish before we gave the car back to him. There were many comments on how good his car looks. Also, there was a Car Detailer Mustang owner at the Roundup who also won several awards. It is worth the effort to polish your car.

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on October 17, 2012, 08:52:57 AM
Thanks rocket and yes go for it .My 70 mach 1 has a near perfect paint job and want to keep it that way .Next time i go to the usa i will have to bring back some good polish .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on October 17, 2012, 08:53:56 AM
great preparation can't be beat though when detailing a car!

A couple of weeks back we had a car show that involved a hour & half drive to get there.
The day before I spent 5 hours just on the outside of the car to get it ready .
1......wash and clean etc
2......chamois
3......dry
4......clay
5......polish
6......seal
then the next day on the way to the show it rained....  :ouch: .go figure, needless to say the car now had road grime all over it from the wet roads.....
A quick spray and wipe with the Zaino grand finale sealer  http://www.zainobros.com.au/prod12.htm (http://www.zainobros.com.au/prod12.htm)
and it looked just like before.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on October 17, 2012, 06:59:27 PM
After speaking with Rod and having him show me how good the flex polisher is I purchased my own. I got the export version (230 V) from the Tool King website in the US and had it delivered. It works great, just need an adapter for your socket which I got from Big W.

http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on October 17, 2012, 07:23:16 PM
Rocket,

You're spot on about Autoglym HD Wax leaving a haze behind. The first time I applied it, I used waaaaay too much & the haze drove me nuts for weeks. I had to keep buffing with a microfibre. That aside, it's an amazing product. I re-applied a couple of weeks ago & it really made the red paint pop!

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Raven on October 17, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
Rocket

Excellent info! I use the Menzerna products, which are really good. What I don't understand is this clay bar business, as I have not used this before. Why not just DA with a fine polish and then seal/wax again.

Cheers
Raven   
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
awesome rocket. I remember reading your review on the detailing forum. a huge effort

jbrucem 1, Thanks for your post! It reminded me of the original Wax Test Thread on the Detail Paradise Forum. Last time i checked - about 6 months ago, the Forum was no longer in operation. Thanks to your post i just did a google search and found the Detail Paradise Forum is back! Beauty!
Even found the Wax Test Thread. Here is the Link -
http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?4046-Testing-10-Waxes-on-one-car-Which-is-the-best (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?4046-Testing-10-Waxes-on-one-car-Which-is-the-best)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
Rocket

Excellent info! I use the Menzerna products, which are really good. What I don't understand is this clay bar business, as I have not used this before. Why not just DA with a fine polish and then seal/wax again.

Cheers
Raven

Hi Raven, I had the same opinion that the Clay was not necessary. Then i saw some Clay when in Supercheap one day and decided what the heck - i would give it a go. After washing the car i followed the directions. Spray a bit of the Lube on the panel, break a piece of clay off the bar, knead it and then make a small disc out of it. Soon as i started rubbing it on the paint i could actually feel it pulling the impurities out of the paint. The panel became very smooth, very quickly. Only took about half an hour to go around the whole car.
Next i washed and dried the car ready for buffing with the Flex and Menzerna. Because the paint surface was so smooth, it made it easier and quicker to buff each panel. Wish i had used the clay previously.
The Flex Polisher is a fantastic, purpose built polishing machine - but it is slow work to go around a car. It usually takes about 15 hours per car to do a 3 stage Menzerna polish. I was able to cut it down to about 12 hours after using the clay. So well worth it in my opinion.

I had also bought another polishing machine - a rotary buffer called the Festool Shinex which receives excellent reviews on the Detailing Forums, but our panel beater at the time ( Andy ), started using it to smooth off his body filler repairs. He had realised how light and easy to use the Festool is. Bugger! Think i managed to use it to polish half a car. It cost about $700. Should have kept it at home! Once the body filler dust became encrusted around the machine - it was no longer any good to polish cars. So now i will just stick with the trusty Flex machine.

What sort of machine do you use? What is your favourite Wax/Sealant?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
great preparation can't be beat though when detailing a car!

A couple of weeks back we had a car show that involved a hour & half drive to get there.
The day before I spent 5 hours just on the outside of the car to get it ready .
1......wash and clean etc
2......chamois
3......dry
4......clay
5......polish
6......seal
then the next day on the way to the show it rained....  :ouch: .go figure, needless to say the car now had road grime all over it from the wet roads.....
A quick spray and wipe with the Zaino grand finale sealer  http://www.zainobros.com.au/prod12.htm (http://www.zainobros.com.au/prod12.htm)
and it looked just like before.

Hi Dale, I think the reason a lot of people do not want to know about this process is the fact it takes about 5 hours to prepare a car. Us Ted Bullpitt types are happy to do it, but with the busy lifestyles we all lead - i think most people would not spare the time.

I have read a lot of Threads where users rave about the Zaino Sealant, but have never seen it in the flesh so to speak. Must catch up soon and check it out on your Hertz.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
Rocket,

You're spot on about Autoglym HD Wax leaving a haze behind. The first time I applied it, I used waaaaay too much & the haze drove me nuts for weeks. I had to keep buffing with a microfibre. That aside, it's an amazing product. I re-applied a couple of weeks ago & it really made the red paint pop!

Evan.

Evan, Good advice there about applying waxes. Less is more! You have to get a very thin layer. I do it by using an applicator, wipe it in the wax, then dab it on the panel before spreading as thinly as possible. Agree that it is an amazing product.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
After speaking with Rod and having him show me how good the flex polisher is I purchased my own. I got the export version (230 V) from the Tool King website in the US and had it delivered. It works great, just need an adapter for your socket which I got from Big W.

http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)

Hi Mark, Thanks for putting up that Link. It shows the price as $398 AU. How much was the Shipping cost?
Compares favourably against buying here in Australia. Last time i checked they cost about $850 here.

Hope you are getting good use out of your Flex.

Where are you buying the Menzerna Polishes? I need to get some fresh stocks, but not sure where to buy it now at a good price.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on October 17, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
I told 66hertz about Zaino. its the ants pants...ive used it for years in professional shops and as a professional detailer...check out my black bf xr8 ute

 (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc221/zildjian1971/My%20Work/phpgeG0S5AM-1.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 17, 2012, 10:46:49 PM
I told 66hertz about Zaino. its the ants pants...ive used it for years in professional shops and as a professional detailer...check out my black bf xr8 ute

Hi Gretschem, I did check out your ute...Looks absolutely stunning!

Sounds like i better get hold of some Zaino.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: DUNRITE66 on October 17, 2012, 10:55:40 PM
EVER HEARD OF ZYMOL...... $8,500 FOR 2 JARS OF PURE WHITE BRAZILIAN WAX CALLED ROYALE GLAZE....I HAD THE REP COME TO MY SHOP IN HIS SUIT TO DEMONSTRATE JUST HOW UNIQUE THEIR PRODUCTS WERE.... 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on October 17, 2012, 11:02:46 PM
you want the best wax @ 20k go here

 http://www.swissvax.com/ (http://www.swissvax.com/)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: DUNRITE66 on October 17, 2012, 11:11:20 PM
PURE CARNUBA'S DO NOT LAST.... I BOUGHT THE ZYMOL..... AFTER 2 WASHES IT WAS GONE...IT IS ONLY GOOD FOR DOING YOUR CAR PRIOR TO A SHOW ETC.... SYNTHETIC WAX WILL LAST 6-12 MONTHS DEPENDING..... I STILL HAVE THE JAR OF ZYMOL  IN THE FRIDGE ....
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on October 17, 2012, 11:26:43 PM
Hi Mark, Thanks for putting up that Link. It shows the price as $398 AU. How much was the Shipping cost?
Compares favourably against buying here in Australia. Last time i checked they cost about $850 here.

Hope you are getting good use out of your Flex.

Where are you buying the Menzerna Polishes? I need to get some fresh stocks, but not sure where to buy it now at a good price.

Rocket.

Hi Rod,

I was fortunate to buy my flex polisher when the dollar was at $1.09 so I got it for a total of $360 plus $53 shipping.

I bought my Menzerna polishes from Waxit.

On another note - at the MOCA meeting tonight your number was pulled out in the member's draw but you wern't there. However, Jeremy won a bottle of wine (just in case he dosn't tell you).
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on October 17, 2012, 11:29:41 PM
Menzerna is great stuff...try juice polishes as well

www.juicepolishes.com.au (http://www.juicepolishes.com.au)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Raven on October 18, 2012, 08:49:59 PM
Rocket

I purchased the concourse 900 polisher kit from "waxit" that came with the four Menzerna polish compounds and the Lake country buffing pads. I spray painted my car at home with black acrylic paint and let it cure for a while before I wet sanded it, followed with the buffing.  I used the random orbital polisher on the acrylic paint as it is not as aggressive as a traditional sander polisher. The finished paint on the car was like glass. Once the car is complete I will use the final stage sealant/wax on it followed with mothers carnauba wax. I have fluorescent lights in my garage which show everything on the paintwork. The gloss and sheen was so Good that if I rub my finger on the paint it would show as a scuff mark that needed a light buff to bring it back up again. I hope the wax/sealant will protect the paint from this happening, other wise it would drive me nuts.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: StephenSLR on October 19, 2012, 08:45:53 AM
Does the polish/wax you choose also depend on what paint you have, how old it is, etc.?

s
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 12:20:32 PM
Rocket

I purchased the concourse 900 polisher kit from "waxit" that came with the four Menzerna polish compounds and the Lake country buffing pads. I spray painted my car at home with black acrylic paint and let it cure for a while before I wet sanded it, followed with the buffing.  I used the random orbital polisher on the acrylic paint as it is not as aggressive as a traditional sander polisher. The finished paint on the car was like glass. Once the car is complete I will use the final stage sealant/wax on it followed with mothers carnauba wax. I have fluorescent lights in my garage which show everything on the paintwork. The gloss and sheen was so Good that if I rub my finger on the paint it would show as a scuff mark that needed a light buff to bring it back up again. I hope the wax/sealant will protect the paint from this happening, other wise it would drive me nuts.

Hi raven, i had a look at concourse 900 polisher kit on the waxit site. Looks like good value buying. Guess you must be happy with the performance of the buffing machine, especially to have a glass like finish.

Used to paint a lot of cars myself and always used acrylic lacquer because i knew that after scuffing and buffing it would leave a great shine. Must say now that the new 2 pak paints are excellent to use and leave a beautiful shine - but unless i was painting in a spray booth i would still use the acrylic.

I think if scuff marks are showing easily on the black paint then a sealant would be the best option. After a couple of coats of sealant have cured, then you could top it off with a wax.

Look forward to seeing your car. Looks fantastic in your avatar pic.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 12:32:19 PM
Does the polish/wax you choose also depend on what paint you have, how old it is, etc.?

s

Hi Stephen, Yes - The polish/pad combination depends totally on the condition of your paintwork. If the paint is very heavily oxidised/faded it can be better to wet sand before polishing.

Assuming the paint is reasonably good, you would wash,clay,polish.

Then you test a few different polish/pad combinations and use the combination that will give the best result in the quickest time.

There are quite a few choices. Check out the following Links. firstly Menzerna Polishes -

http://www.detailedimage.com/menzerna_chart.php/ (http://www.detailedimage.com/menzerna_chart.php/)

Then the Pad chart - Pads come in different densities from quite thick/rough to very fine.
http://www.auto-geek.net/charts/buffing-pad-chart-lc.htm (http://www.auto-geek.net/charts/buffing-pad-chart-lc.htm)

Takes a bit of experience to work out which are the best combinations.

Generally speaking if i give a car a 3stage Menzerna polish it will be -\
1) P203S on an orange or white pad.
2) PO 106FF on a white or green pad
3) PO85RD on a black fine polishing pad

Beats the old days when i would use Repo Extra Cut to hand polish a car with old paint. That was bloody hard yacka!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: StephenSLR on October 19, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
Beats the old days when i would use Repo Extra Cut to hand polish a car with old paint. That was bloody hard yacka!

What, no Turtle Wax?

s
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on October 19, 2012, 04:05:52 PM
Hey Rod
Does that mean I now have to buy a polisher  and stuff to keep the Luke shine  :grin:

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on October 19, 2012, 04:11:24 PM
Hey Rod
Does that mean I now have to buy a polisher  and stuff to keep the Luke shine  :grin:

Jack
reading my mind Jack!....  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
 welll....... you could always borrow mine and DIY :lmao: :lmao:  :bolt:

Stephen, Turtle wax is actually quite a good product nowadays i am told.

Today i took the Grande to work and gave the rear quarter panel a 3 stage Menzerna polish followed by jetseal 109. Took plenty of photos which i will post tonight.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on October 19, 2012, 08:55:37 PM
Should be able to manage it after you have shown me how a couple of times  :lmao: :lmao:
Looking forward to the pics
Grande was looking good when I saw it

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 09:05:46 PM
Was going to do a full "Autopian" Polish on the Grande next week, but after discussions with Jeremy, we decided the Blue Mach1 will receive the treatment next week as part of preparations for the Perth Nationals. We do not want any last minute rush to prepare the 2 Mach 1`s like last year.

In the meantime, i took the Grande to work today so that i could do a 3 stage Menzerna polish on part of the car to show interested people what is involved. Washed the car before i left home so that i could go straight to the Clay stage.

Firstly, here is my pad selection. Different coloured pads are used depending on how agressively you need to polish -

These are the 3 Menzerna polishes to be used -

The polishes are a year or so old. The codes have now changed.I have ordered a new batch to do the Mach1 next week.

Items required to do the claying are the clay, clay lube, quick detailer to clean up afterwards and clean Microfibre cloths -

I broke off a bit of clay, kneaded it, then formed a disc about the size of a 50c piece. Claying is easy, just spray a bit of clay lube on the panel, then rub the clay gently across the surface. You can hear and feel a slight scratching noise as the clay pulls dirt out of the paint. Only took a couple of minutes to clay the whole quarter panel. Next step was to spray quick detailer on the panel, then wipe it off with the microfibre cloth -

Time to start polishing. For the first stage i used menzerna P203S ( New Code name PF2500) which has a cut of 3.0 out of 5, and a gloss of 4.0 out of five. Chose a white pad for this stage because the paint was already in very good condition with absolutely minimum swirls.
Just put 4 pea sized dobs of polish on the pad, squirt the pad with just one small application of quick detailer to lube the pad, dab the pad on the panel then spread the polish evenly with the buffing machine on slowest speed no.1 It is important to do a small section about 400mm square each time -



Only takes a few seconds to spread the polish evenly, then you crank up the machine to highest speed no.6 and work that polish. I go over each area about 6 times very slowly which takes about 4 minutes. Once the polish is completely broken down it will go clear and there will be next to no residue.
I then spray quick detailer and wipe the area with a microfibre cloth to completey remove any left over polish -

Stage 1 now complete. Looking better -

Will continue next post shortly.

 

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Should be able to manage it after you have shown me how a couple of times  :lmao: :lmao:
Looking forward to the pics
Grande was looking good when I saw it

Jack

Happy to show you - heck i can even do it for you. :thumb:
When you saw the Grande this morning, that was before i put it in the workshop to start polishing. It does not really need polishing, i just feel it had lost a tad of gloss over the last couple of years.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 19, 2012, 09:58:25 PM
Continued

You may have noticed the masking tape on the quarter panel. The idea of this is to tape up body seams, lights, chrome etc so that polish does not get stuck in there. It is far easier to tape these areas up first instead of the hassle of trying to clean the polish out afterwards. Most important not to leave the tape there for a long time. Tape up, polish then remove the tape before the tape dries out and becomes difficult to remove.

Polishing stage 2. For this stage i used Menzerna PO 106FA ( New Code name SF4000) cut of 2.5 out of five and gloss of 5.0 out of five.
Chose a green finishing pad for this stage as gloss was required - not cutting. Same again - 4 pea sized dobs, bit of quick detailer to lube the pad, dab the pad on the paint, spread on low speed then 4 minutes working the polish. Only difference this time was i then turned the speed back to medium no.3 and went over the area for another minute or so to begin burnishing/ jewelling the paint. Then sprayed quick detailer and wiped panel clean -

Then onto stage 3 . For this i used a finessing polish  PO85RD ( new Code name SF4500 ) with a cut of 1.0 out of five and a gloss of 5.0 out of five.
Pad choice was a black finishing pad. Process this time after applying and spreading polish was 4 minutes on speed 6 followed by 2 minutes on speed no.3 burnishing/jewelling. Now we have that gorgeous Menzerna shine -

Now it was time for the LSP - last step of the process to protect that paint. Went for ChemGuys jetseal 109 applied with the buffing machine on a blue pad. No need to work it right into the paint. just dabbed it on and spread using speed no.2. Only took a minute.
Then i sat down and watched it dry for an hour before buffing it off with a microfibre cloth.
Took the car outside to see how it looks. More than happy with the result -

This photo should give you an idea of the difference a good polish makes. Only the rear quarter panel has been polished so far.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on October 19, 2012, 11:16:16 PM
That's a great tutorial Rod, thankyou
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Raven on October 20, 2012, 12:42:31 AM
Great demo. Well done :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on October 20, 2012, 07:26:18 AM
Rod. Your the man! That was great.
It's posts like that I love.   
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 20, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
Thanks guys, Just wish i had better photography skills. I use automatic mode - aim and shoot.

Will post up more pics as i do the blue mach1 next week.

So that shows the process of machine polishing, but very few people have the equipment or will to go to those lengths. What about hand polishing?
Came across the following thread in the members cars section -
 http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,18622.0.html (http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,18622.0.html)

The thread has a couple of pics showing hand polishing of MJ`s 67 Convertible. He and his wife have done an excellent job of hand polishing. Here is one of the photos -

In one of the photos they appeared to be using the Meguiars Deep Crystal range. Went out to the garage and found a couple of polishes that i have used by hand successfully in the past -

Here is a Link to some suitable polishes in the Meguiars current range -

http://www.meguiars.com.au/products/car-care/paint-care/polish-protect/ (http://www.meguiars.com.au/products/car-care/paint-care/polish-protect/)

I think the 2 step products in the above range would be the best for somebody who wants to hand polish and then wax their paint.

Anybody else out there use products they consider good for hand polishing?

Rocket
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on October 20, 2012, 11:02:39 AM
Good stuff, Rocket. This is what forums are all about. Appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge and experience.  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on October 20, 2012, 12:34:02 PM
Thanks for the tutorial Rod
I always used Meguiars on my cars with lots of hours but never matched the shine you have on yours or the red mac
Perhaps a convert         time will tell.
Not too much wrong with your pics mate.  Will cost more for lights, reflectors, back drops and a lot of patience waiting for the right light conditions in outdoor shots. And thats just for starters.
Hmmmmm I probly will want to keep the shine I get it back with

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 20, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
great info,

so can you share where you ordered your polish from and the pads for your polisher.

You may have said and if you have said I apologise share again  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 20, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
No worries.

Justang, I  ordered the Menzerna Polishes online from Waxit -
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&manufacturer_id=18&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&manufacturer_id=18&Itemid=1)
The three i ordered are PF 2500, SF 4000, UF 5000.
No idea which ones you are after, the three above allow for a 3 stage polish. If i was just doing a one stage it would be SF 4000.
I buy in one litre bottles because i use a fair bit of each polish, but if you check out the above link - it is also possible to buy in 250ml bottles
and you can get a mixed pack of 3 or 4 polishes.

I buy Lake Country CCS pads in lots of 6 from Autogeek - see link -
http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-6pack.html (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-6pack.html)
If you buy them in bulk from Autogeek, i would suggest you request they ship via US Postal Service to keep the price down.

Or you could buy pads locally from the waxit site, or chemGuys.com.au
ChemGuys link -  http://www.chemguys.com.au/Paint_Polishing_CCS_Pads_For_Rotary_And_DA_Polishers_s/43.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Paint_Polishing_CCS_Pads_For_Rotary_And_DA_Polishers_s/43.htm)

Most oftened used pads in my Lake Country pad kit are Orange - Heavy Polishing, White - Medium Polishing,  Black - Finishing Polish

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 20, 2012, 07:07:03 PM
Thanks Rocket, I will be placing an order for sure have a few cars to clean polish up. Might talk to some locals and maybe hook up a group buy to reduce shipping .

My cars all have pretty good paint. I have kept them polished and waxed. My mustang paint is very thin however I keep it really waxed to protect whats left.
the shopping cart is a AU1 Tickford thats paint is in good nick for the age and been looked after. EF XR8 Wagon  :thumb: has good shine. All cars have been kept clay bared. some others I maintain are newer cars or brand new.  I have used three stage polishing, cleaner, polish then wax for years so you would suggest the lines you got? Used smart wax, Meguiar's before that and mothers freebies
I will be cleaning up a couple of cars that have been neglected a bit. What would you suggest with them, they will be clay bared and then will need a good cut.

here was some photo's of when I got the coupe
http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,7954.msg71765.html#msg71765 (http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,7954.msg71765.html#msg71765)
I remember them days like they were yesterday.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on October 20, 2012, 08:23:51 PM
Great little Australian forum, http://forums.finalinspection.com.au/ (http://forums.finalinspection.com.au/) (have to register to see topics)

Got heaps of advice here and learned most of my tricks here. 

Main detailer on this forum (http://www.finalinspection.com.au/ (http://www.finalinspection.com.au/)) used to stock all Menzerna and other high end brands, has taken to making his own products now though.  Haven't used them but he is a very good detailer!!

He recommends Makita machines at the moment, I still have a Flex i bought back from the USA, and love my Menzerna!!! I'm lazy and use Optimum Wax though
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 20, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
Great little Australian forum, http://forums.finalinspection.com.au/ (http://forums.finalinspection.com.au/) (have to register to see topics)

Got heaps of advice here and learned most of my tricks here. 

Main detailer on this forum (http://www.finalinspection.com.au/ (http://www.finalinspection.com.au/)) used to stock all Menzerna and other high end brands, has taken to making his own products now though.  Haven't used them but he is a very good detailer!!

He recommends Makita machines at the moment, I still have a Flex i bought back from the USA, and love my Menzerna!!! I'm lazy and use Optimum Wax though

Hi Nobby76, I am familiar with the final inspection forum and acknowledge the fantastic work that Damian does polishing cars. Personally i no longer check out that forum as i do not like the fact it is necessary to register and log in to read the forum.

Glad you brought up the subject of different types of buffing machines. The Makita 9227CB is an excellent rotary polisher in the hands of a professional. I bought one myself a few years back and immediately fitted a 6" backing pad to suit the 6.5" Lake Country pads that i use. Never used it much because having become used to the Flex forced rotation RO 3401 VRG, i just found the Makita too heavy and had trouble controlling it on the paint surface. Professionals who use the rotary polishes everyday become very skilled in their use and they do the job very quickly, but they are dangerous tools in the hands of us weekend warrior types. Rotary polishes create a lot of heat and can burn through paint very easily in inexperienced hands.

Found this explanation of different types of buffing machines - ironically from final inspection. Very well written article. Check it out -
http://www.tigersoft.com.au/Detailing101Polish.html (http://www.tigersoft.com.au/Detailing101Polish.html)

I bought the festool shinex rotary after using the makita because it is lighter and easier to handle. Unfortunately our panel beater quickly cottoned onto the fact it is easy to use and he started using it to sand body filler which made his job easier, but ruined the machine for polishing duties, so i just let him carry on and went back to using the very easy to handle flex machine.

Point of all this - For those new to machine polishing cars i would recommend a random orbital machine because they are easy to handle and it is very difficult to burn through paint.
Another couple of points for those new to this - never keep the machine still in one place. It must always be moving - slowly across the surface. The tendency for newbies is too move it way too fast. It is not a race, just move at approximately 100mm every 10 seconds or so. Also never ever buff across an edge or you will go through the paint. Always buff across to an edge but not over it.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 20, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Thanks Rocket, I will be placing an order for sure have a few cars to clean polish up. Might talk to some locals and maybe hook up a group buy to reduce shipping .

My cars all have pretty good paint. I have kept them polished and waxed. My mustang paint is very thin however I keep it really waxed to protect whats left.
the shopping cart is a AU1 Tickford thats paint is in good nick for the age and been looked after. EF XR8 Wagon  :thumb: has good shine. All cars have been kept clay bared. some others I maintain are newer cars or brand new.  I have used three stage polishing, cleaner, polish then wax for years so you would suggest the lines you got? Used smart wax, Meguiar's before that and mothers freebies
I will be cleaning up a couple of cars that have been neglected a bit. What would you suggest with them, they will be clay bared and then will need a good cut.

here was some photo's of when I got the coupe
http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,7954.msg71765.html#msg71765 (http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,7954.msg71765.html#msg71765)
I remember them days like they were yesterday.

Justang, Enjoyed reading about your car and also checked out the photos. You have that car looking excellent.

I answered Nobby`s post first to explain a bit about buffing machines. Do you currently have a polishing machine? If so, Rotary or RO?

As far as polishes are concerned i would suggest the same three that i just bought - PF2500, SF 4000, SF 4500, all in one litre bottles. Each bottle will polish about 6 cars, but use sparingly. Less is more. Never use any more than 4 pea sized dobs on your pad to polish a 400 x 400mm area. 

I would suggest the Lake Country Pads using an orange pad with the PF 2500 for the first stage, White pad with SF 4000 on the second stage and black pad with SF 4500 for the third stage. But experiment on each car before you start. Try different pad/polish combinations with the objective of using the combination which does the job requird in the quickest time.

Remember to only polish cool paintwork, preferably in a garage. Never polish ( or wash a car ) in direct sun. Always keep the polisher moving slowly and never buff across an edge. Expect to take 12-15 hours per car when using a RO polisher and 3 stages.

Oh.. I am not sure that any polisher will completely shine up your bonnet. But give it a go. If it does not shine up consider having the bonnet resprayed at some stage.

Hope this helps.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 21, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
Hey Rocket,

The paint on my car is very thin, it was freshened up when first landed in Australia about 19 years ago for a National Concourse. A closed door job. The bonnet shinned up ok just a little patchy, looks good in photo's and at 10foot.
I purchased a rotary buffer from superdump after the detailer had a go at the bonnet,  he said it would do the job for a non professional,  it has variable speed and looks similar design to the one you use so like a big angle grinder.
we also have a orbital polisher for polishing the parents caravan, when I get off my but to help them lol. Needs a polish having said that  :ouch: some early mornings coming soon  :toetapping:
yes only out of direct sunlight on cool paint but a good tip to others reading this thread.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on October 21, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
There's a detailer in Sydney called care care products. He has a kit for $279 which includes 3 pads, 3 polishes and a machine. Is this similar to what you guys are using/talking about.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 21, 2012, 01:15:06 PM
Hi 65 Muzzy, That kit would do the job nicely for a weekend warrior. I would suggest the pad choice to be Lake Country in Orange, White and Black.
Note that different suppliers of pads use their own colour codes/density of foam. I stick with Lake Country because i believe they do a great job.

Here is a link to the kit you mention - http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/car_care_products/ro_polisher_das6_kit_plus (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/car_care_products/ro_polisher_das6_kit_plus)

The polisher that i use is called a Flex 3401 VRG forced rotation orbital polisher -
http://www.zas.com.au/product/132/flex_xc3401_vrg_dual_action_machine_polisher.html (http://www.zas.com.au/product/132/flex_xc3401_vrg_dual_action_machine_polisher.html)
The Flex is an expensive machine in Australia. I see they have dropped the price back to $649. It was $850 a couple of years ago.

If you look at page 1 of this thread you will see a link that mwizz put up regarding buying from the USA. The Flex in the USA is about $400 (230v version) and just requires a cheap adaptor to change it to suit our power points. In fact here is the link that mwizz put up -
http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)

Another option is to buy a Makita rotary polisher/sander for about $400, but as previously stated - the rotary should only be used by professionals or experienced users.

But in reality, for somebody who just wants to look after the paint on their own car, the kit you mention is good value. There was another kit mentioned earlier in this thread from waxit.com.au called the concourse 900 kit. Maybe compare the 2 kits?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 21, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
Hey Rocket,

The paint on my car is very thin, it was freshened up when first landed in Australia about 19 years ago for a National Concourse. A closed door job. The bonnet shinned up ok just a little patchy, looks good in photo's and at 10foot.
I purchased a rotary buffer from superdump after the detailer had a go at the bonnet,  he said it would do the job for a non professional,  it has variable speed and looks similar design to the one you use so like a big angle grinder.
we also have a orbital polisher for polishing the parents caravan, when I get off my but to help them lol. Needs a polish having said that  :ouch: some early mornings coming soon  :toetapping:
yes only out of direct sunlight on cool paint but a good tip to others reading this thread.

Hi Justang, Was that rotary you bought from superdump called a Foreman by any chance? ( in a blue box ). Bought that one myself many years ago but did not find it any good.
With the thin paint on your bonnet, maybe try the medium polish SF4000 on the white pad first. I worry that a coarse polish may go through the paint.

Have fun polishing the caravan :grin: Biiiiig Job!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 21, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
was a rockwell brand. probably similar quality but for the price seemed to do alright.  Would love to get a better one and may look into a flex down the track.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 21, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
Have fun polishing the caravan :grin: Biiiiig Job!
Rocket.

what pad for the Van would u say?

told the old lady I needed to order a new pad on your advice  :thumb:  gives me a few more weeks off
She did ask who this Rocket guy was and did he know what he was talking about    :toetapping:  Said you were a south Australian and old .......... her reply was good, he must be alright then  :grin: (originally from South Australia both my parents Yankalilla, Wallaroo)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 21, 2012, 03:22:27 PM
Hmmmm........ South Australian......and OLD? :kickass: :grin:

Actually Victorian! Grew up in Maidstone and dragged to South Australia by my parents as a teenager. Day we moved i had to leave a Collingwood/ Carlton game at half time! Bugger! Pies won too. :thumb: Always been a Victorian on his way back home soon... Just never quite made it . 40 years later still here. Still, worse things can happen i guess.
OLD you say! Me! :tissue: :nopity: Not too old to have a good time :burnout: :burnout: :cheers: :cheers: :grin:

Back to business....  You probably should clay the caravan before polishing, then trial and error. Maybe start with an orange pad and PF2500. If that is not agressive enough try a coarse green pad. If the first try with the orange pad was too fierce - back off to a white pad and SF4000. Every polish job is different. Be prepared to experiment to find the right combo.

How about i help your mother to get the job done. :thumb: I will send you a coarse green pad, an orange pad and a white pad. That should have you ready to hook in by the weekend. Cannot have you slacking off whipper snipper. :grin: :grin: Just send me a name and delivery address via U2U.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on October 21, 2012, 06:09:52 PM
Hi Old Man
Checked the Tool King price on the flex
Tool Au$395
Shipping to SA Au $55

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 21, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
Hmmmm........ South Australian......and OLD? :kickass: :grin:

Actually Victorian! Grew up in Maidstone and dragged to South Australia by my parents as a teenager. Day we moved i had to leave a Collingwood/ Carlton game at half time! Bugger! Pies won too. :thumb: Always been a Victorian on his way back home soon... Just never quite made it . 40 years later still here. Still, worse things can happen i guess.
OLD you say! Me! :tissue: :nopity: Not too old to have a good time :burnout: :burnout: :cheers: :cheers: :grin:

Back to business....  You probably should clay the caravan before polishing, then trial and error. Maybe start with an orange pad and PF2500. If that is not agressive enough try a coarse green pad. If the first try with the orange pad was too fierce - back off to a white pad and SF4000. Every polish job is different. Be prepared to experiment to find the right combo.

How about i help your mother to get the job done. :thumb: I will send you a coarse green pad, an orange pad and a white pad. That should have you ready to hook in by the weekend. Cannot have you slacking off whipper snipper. :grin: :grin: Just send me a name and delivery address via U2U.

Rocket.

 :lmao:

not so young mate just no as old as some

 :bolt:

Alzheimer's  must have set in early and I can not remember how to use U2U  thanks for the offer  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 21, 2012, 06:57:46 PM
. Day we moved i had to leave a Collingwood/ Carlton game at half time! Bugger! Pies won too. :thumb:

Rocket.

ps........ go the Pies  :cheers:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on October 21, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
Hi Old Man
Checked the Tool King price on the flex
Tool Au$395
Shipping to SA Au $55

Jack

Great value
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 23, 2012, 09:01:24 AM
The old fart has begun an autopian polish on the Blue Mach1 as part of preparations for the Perth Nationals.

This car was painted about a year ago. It was given the standard cut and polish after being painted. Since then, apart from regular washing, the only other work on the paint was 2 coats of wax at the Newcastle Nationals back in April. The paint felt just a little coarse so i gave it a claying before polishing -

Claying finished, just needed to be sprayed with quick detailer then wiped clean with a microfibre before fitting masking tape to body seams -

Not doing the bonnet yet as we have decided to remove it , fit new hinges and change the blackouts to a Matt finish. Although we prefer a Gloss finish for the blackouts , the factory original were Matt finish and as the Mach1`s are entered in concours judging - we will keep them original.

My new Menzerna polishes arrived just as i was preparing to start polishing -

This will be a 3 stage polish. Here are a few shots taken after  the second stage.

During stage 1

After 2nd stage -

This is a work in progress. Off to work to do some more.

For those interested, i have started a new photobucket album titled Autopian Car Polishing and will add more photos as each car is being polished. Link -

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on October 23, 2012, 10:00:25 AM
At least one intereted party.........Keep em coming
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 23, 2012, 08:23:28 PM
Hi Jack, Made very good progress today.

Finished the second stage, which was a white pad with SF 4000 Polish. The white pad is quite firm - still slightly cutting but upping the gloss level -

After stage 2 i decided to experiment a bit by using the same polish for the next stage, but with a slightly softer green finishing pad. This will reduce the cut while increasing the gloss -


Rocketing along. Brad gave me a stool on wheels. Made it a lot easier on the back -

Onto stage 4. Used a new Black pad with SF4500 refining polish. This is a great combo for burnishing the paint -

In the morning i just need to finish stage 4 on the front door and guard, give it a bit of a clean with quick detailer and a microfibre cloth, then apply the first of 2 coats of jetseal.

After that i will turn the car around to do the other side.

Are you starting to realise why not many people will do this type of car polishing? It seems to take forever. After the second stage, you are increasing the gloss level by about 10 percent each stage, but after several more stages that percentage becomes even less. The rule of diminishing returns applies.

But after finishing with wiping off the sealant and taking the car out in the sun, that beautiful Menzerna shine makes it all worthwhile. Well... to me anyway!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 23, 2012, 08:59:28 PM
great write up old fella   :smilies:  and looks fantastic
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: MachAttack on October 23, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
Nice work Rocket, looks like a hell of a shine already. You're tempting me to have a go on my daily driver. It's only 18 months old but being black (yes I'm a glutton for punishment) it's covered in swirling/scratches from washing which really stand out in the sun. Thanks for your informative posts.  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 23, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
Rocket, at what stage do you take the masking off the door gaps and why at that stage while you like other masking on other parts?
I think I know the answers however amuze this young mind :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 23, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
Hi Justang, After a couple of stages the polish is starting to accumulate at the edges of the masking tape - particularly at the door gaps. I just watch what is happening and if the pad is dragging polish from the tape back onto the freshly buffed paint it is time to rip off the tape. Also, on the final stage i will normally pull the tape off each panel as i get up to it so that i can polish up to the edges and eliminate any lines created by the tape. In some areas there is next to no polish on the tape, so i just leave it if it will not affect the job.

In the following photo i have pulled the tape off the quarter panel and the door gap to clean up around the edges, but you will note the tape is still at the top of the door and around the door handles. As i polish the door tomorrow, i will pull off the tape as i go. The taped up area over the rear louvre will remain in place till the job is finished because it would be a very difficult job to clean it afterwards.

In reality, i probably did not need to use so much masking tape. Did it mainly for demonstration purposes. Menzerna polish does not sling very much.
To this day, it annoys the shyte out of me when i see our painters not bothering to tape up when doing a cut and buff on a freshly painted car. They just make so much fiddly clean up work when it is totally unnecessary.

Hope the above makes sense.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on October 23, 2012, 09:59:46 PM
Gee i just wanted to know what to polish my stang with .    :ouch:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 23, 2012, 10:06:39 PM
Nice work Rocket, looks like a hell of a shine already. You're tempting me to have a go on my daily driver. It's only 18 months old but being black (yes I'm a glutton for punishment) it's covered in swirling/scratches from washing which really stand out in the sun. Thanks for your informative posts.  :thumb:

Hi MachAttack, Thanks - Glad you like it.

Yes... As you have found out, Black is a very difficult colour to maintain. You can make that paint look fantastic by giving it a Menzerna polish. Use a good sealant or wax afterwards to protect and maintain it.

Have you checked out the kits mentioned earlier in the thread from waxit.com.au and concourse car care. Around $270 - $300 They would do the job well. If you took the car to a professional for this kind of polish it would cost around $800-$1200. A lot cheaper to buy your own kit.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 23, 2012, 10:07:59 PM
Gee i just wanted to know what to polish my stang with .    :ouch:

Hi Glenn, That is easy - menzerna. :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on October 30, 2012, 07:18:38 PM
Nice work again Rocket, seeing threads like this inspires me to get out and do my cars, which desperately need it.  Been back 12 months and haven't touched my detailing gear!! lol
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on October 30, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
thanks rocket, yes made sense. I think that was the photo that got me wondering as i went through your bucket account

great write up  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 30, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Hi Nobby76, Thanks mate!

Time for you to break out your detailing gear. Glad you feel inspired. I know it can get monotonous sometimes, but once i see that Menzerna shine on the first panel i get motivated to keep going.

How about posting some photos of your cars . Before and as you go. Below is another photo to inspire you. It is a 65 Fastback owned by Dave Bills. He had some windscreen work done on the fastback and the fitter rubbed dry windscreen sealer all over his boot and bonnet area. Dave was beside himself thinking his beautiful paint job had been destroyed. He brought the car down and i set about a 3 stage correction polish on his car. Came up superb. Here he is a happy fella picking up the car -

I have a few more cars to do. Moniques 69 Convertible, Jeremys 65 Fastback and also i need to finish the Grande. Thinking about getting another Festool Shinex to help do them all a bit quicker.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 30, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
thanks rocket, yes made sense. I think that was the photo that got me wondering as i went through your bucket account

great write up  :thumb:

Hi Justang,  Ah.... Good. Glad it made sense.

Looking forward to seeing your photos when you hook in with the Menzerna.
Had the Grande at work for a couple of days this week and now i am kicking myself for just doing the rear quarter. Better get into the rest of it! The difference i see everytime i walk past the car is staggering. Makes the rest of the car look dull now. Love that Menzerna and Jetseal 109.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Raven on October 30, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Rocket

My rear boot lid, as yet to apply the sealant/wax to the paint. Also I need to paint the ceiling in my garage. A quick quiz, can someone pick the sign sign above the door?

Cheers
Dino
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 30, 2012, 09:41:36 PM
Raven, that is a seriously great shine! Well done.

Being an old fart, i cannot make out the words on the sign, however i can see the dinosaur. Guess it has something to do with your name... Dino.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on October 31, 2012, 01:49:56 AM
Noob at this too but u inspired me Rod.
On the weekend, a clay bar that has been sitting in a corner of my garage for a couple of years, finally got to see the light of day
I was a bit skeptical. Voodoo ? Hocus pocus ?
I used some liquid soap and water as the lubricant which worked well and set upon my AU XR8.
Well I gotta say I was pretty impressed !
The paint just feels smoother now. Hard to describe really.
Gave it a wash before and after, hand polish with a meguiars kwikwax at the end.
I found myself staring at the car across the road in my cars reflection !
Came up really nice.




Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 31, 2012, 07:29:25 AM
Hi Michael, I was a bit of a skeptic too - until i tried it. No Voodoo with Clay as you found out. It lifts the contaminants out of the paint so easily.

Your XR8 looked very nice before - bet it looks even better now. :thumb:

Been waiting for you to bring the Mustang to work so that we can buff your bootlid. I am tied up today and Thursday, but can you come down on Friday, Monday or Tuesday morning?Anytime between 9.30 and 12. Will take about an hour all told.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: StephenSLR on October 31, 2012, 08:54:47 AM
A quick quiz, can someone pick the sign sign above the door?

(http://www.retroplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Dino_Sinclair_Oil.jpg)

http://suite101.com/article/history-of-the-sinclair-oil-dinosaur-a322420 (http://suite101.com/article/history-of-the-sinclair-oil-dinosaur-a322420)

s
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on October 31, 2012, 11:36:22 AM
absolutely stunning job Rod - you are the master  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

maybe the moderator should make it a sticky so it is easier for us to refer back to it when we need to
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on October 31, 2012, 11:41:26 AM

maybe the moderator should make it a sticky so it is easier for us to refer back to it when we need to
Sally

 :agree: I WOULD SECOND THAT!..
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on October 31, 2012, 01:06:30 PM
Hi Michael, I was a bit of a skeptic too - until i tried it. No Voodoo with Clay as you found out. It lifts the contaminants out of the paint so easily.

Your XR8 looked very nice before - bet it looks even better now. :thumb:

Been waiting for you to bring the Mustang to work so that we can buff your bootlid. I am tied up today and Thursday, but can you come down on Friday, Monday or Tuesday morning?Anytime between 9.30 and 12. Will take about an hour all told.

Rocket.
Will try to get down Friday.
I might have an update on something else we discussed by then as well.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Wilbury on October 31, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
Best most informative thread i've seen in my short time here, just what i've been looking for actually. Thanks Rocket! I've been spending up a storm on cleaning products since i recently purchased my first Mustang. But i don't think i'm doing as great a job as i should be... being a novice and all. Is there anyone/anywhere in Melbourne where they have this amount of expertise that will actually do all this for you? Someone that works on Mustangs/classic cars, that can detail the body paint, maybe even the engine bay/under carriage. Give you some tips/advice on how to maintain at home perhaps. I really only learn by seeing things done in the flesh, having it shown to me. Would there be anywhere in Melbourne for this? Thanks all.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: StephenSLR on October 31, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
Is there anyone/anywhere in Melbourne where they have this amount of expertise that will actually do all this for you?

Yep, speak to Mitch here:

http://www.immaculatereflections.com.au/services.php (http://www.immaculatereflections.com.au/services.php)

He really knows his stuff and will give advice, etc. tell him StephenSLR sent ya.

;)

s
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 31, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
Excellent! Thanks Guys.

About 5 years ago i began visiting car detailing forums to learn all i could about paint care. All i have done is apply what i learnt. I do not claim to be an expert at car polishing. Fact is anybody could do this! Here are some forums i regularly visit to learn all i can -

Australia - Detail Paradise    http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forum.php (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forum.php)

USA - Autogeek     http://www.autogeek.net/ (http://www.autogeek.net/)   

UK - Detailing world     http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/index.php (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/index.php)

For anybody who prefers to pay others to have your car polished by a professional, here is a Link to the finest from  Detail Paradise in each state -
http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory)

We are yet to hear from a person with a lot of  hand polishing experience to impart their knowledge. My only suggestion is the meguiars 2 step polishes, followed by wax.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on October 31, 2012, 07:09:17 PM
I certianly learnt a lot from you, which I appreciate and those forums are very good.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on October 31, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
Hi Nobby76, Thanks mate!

Time for you to break out your detailing gear. Glad you feel inspired. I know it can get monotonous sometimes, but once i see that Menzerna shine on the first panel i get motivated to keep going.

How about posting some photos of your cars . Before and as you go. Below is another photo to inspire you. It is a 65 Fastback owned by Dave Bills. He had some windscreen work done on the fastback and the fitter rubbed dry windscreen sealer all over his boot and bonnet area. Dave was beside himself thinking his beautiful paint job had been destroyed. He brought the car down and i set about a 3 stage correction polish on his car. Came up superb. Here he is a happy fella picking up the car -

I have a few more cars to do. Moniques 69 Convertible, Jeremys 65 Fastback and also i need to finish the Grande. Thinking about getting another Festool Shinex to help do them all a bit quicker.

Rocket.

Wow that looks a million dollars, Dave must be thrilled to bits
remind me not to use his windscreen guy
can you recommend a good windscreen fitter? and does he go to the site or do we have to take the car there?
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Wilbury on October 31, 2012, 08:04:09 PM
Yep, speak to Mitch here:

http://www.immaculatereflections.com.au/services.php (http://www.immaculatereflections.com.au/services.php)

He really knows his stuff and will give advice, etc. tell him StephenSLR sent ya.

;)

s

Thanks Stephen! Looks great, just what i wanted. Will go see them and mention you. Cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 31, 2012, 08:19:45 PM
I certianly learnt a lot from you, which I appreciate and those forums are very good.

Hi Mark, Saw the photos of your Monaro when you sold it. That paint was sensational! No doubt you have the Vert looking just as good. :thumb:

Think we are going to see an extreme shine on your Boss after it arrives.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 31, 2012, 08:28:14 PM
Wow that looks a million dollars, Dave must be thrilled to bits
remind me not to use his windscreen guy
can you recommend a good windscreen fitter? and does he go to the site or do we have to take the car there?
Sally

Hi Sally, I had never seen a person as gutted like Dave was when he saw the mess on his Fastback. His eyes absolutely lit up when he came to get his car after the polishing. Mind you they were starting to look a bit bloodshot after he helped drink the carton of Crownies he brought with him!

We do have one chap that we use exclusively now for all Windscreen work. He fitted a screen just a couple of weeks back for Brett and Fiona ( Pone65 ). Does a great job and takes extreme care. I will get his details from Brad and post them here in the morning.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on October 31, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
OOPS! Double Post.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on October 31, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
Are we close to a group buy?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 01, 2012, 09:52:09 AM
His eyes absolutely lit up when he came to get his car after the polishing.

Rocket.....Dave is always grinning...he is such a character!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 01, 2012, 07:32:52 PM

Dale, Yes.. Dave is a great bloke and i agree - quite a character. Great value! :thumb:

65muzzy, Would be difficult to organise a group buy because there is such a variation of products. Which ones did you have in mind?
I will speak with a couple of Aussie detailing gear suppliers and see if we could organise a Forum members discount. Will get back to you on this.

Thanks to Sally and PeterP this thread is now a "Sticky"! Sally sent PeterP a request and he agreed. Thankyou.

So come on guys and girls, anybody with good car care hints and products - please post on the thread. :thumb:

The blue Mach1 is now finished after having a 4 stage Menzerna polish and 3 coats of Jetseal 109, allowing 24 hours between each coat. Very happy with it. Photos tomorrow night.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on November 01, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
A big thank you to rocket and everyone that answered my question ,what polish do i use .Now i am to scared to ask what do i wash my mustang with .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 01, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
Hi Glenn, Actually a very big thankYOU for starting this thread! :thumb:

What to wash your Mustang with? Now that is very easy. This-
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm)

I absolutely swear by the above. Citrus Wash&Gloss is far and away the best car wash i have used. It also contains Gloss Enhancers. Used regularly it will always leave an excellent Gloss finish on your paintwork.

But do not use the trusty old sponge. Sponges leave swirlmarks in paint. I suggest a Chenille Microfibre Wash Mitt. Link -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/CAR_WASH_MITT_MICROFIBER_p/mic_493.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/CAR_WASH_MITT_MICROFIBER_p/mic_493.htm)

Always wash your car in the shade. To dry your car after washing, use a good quality Leather Chamois - or better still a Microfibre Towel. Link -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/MICROFIBER_DRYER_TOWEL_p/mic_721.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/MICROFIBER_DRYER_TOWEL_p/mic_721.htm)

Hope this helps.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH - Polishing Machines
Post by: rocket on November 01, 2012, 09:13:53 PM
There has been a bit of discussion about different polishing machines.

Brief Summary -
Rotary Polishers for professional use -
1) Festool Shinex - approx $700
2) Makita Rotary - approx $400

Fixed Rotation Orbitals - Professional or Hobby use

Aussie Flex -  approx $650
Imported Flex - approx $480 delivered.
Da s  6  - approx $230 or $270-$300 in a kit including Pads and Menzerna polish. Extremely good value for the Hobbiest.

I got to thinking. These cheaper polishing machines must be made in China, so i went searching. After only a few minutes i found this unit on alibabaexpress.com (which is a great source of all things made in China if you buy in small quantities ) -
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)
If you read the specifications it sounds extremely similar to those $230 machines. At only $140 delivered this may be great value.

I will continue searching and if i can find nothing i consider better, may place the order and be the test mule.

Rocket.
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 02, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
is see they have a six buy price Rocket......probably wouldn't be hard to organise six of us here to get in on it.....Postage to everyone would be a pain......
Maybe find six here in Adelaide to be in on it. Count me in if you think they would be a reasonable unit for us Hobbyist type users
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 02, 2012, 04:17:46 PM
is see they have a six buy price Rocket......probably wouldn't be hard to organise six of us here to get in on it.....Postage to everyone would be a pain......
Maybe find six here in Adelaide to be in on it. Count me in if you think they would be a reasonable unit for us Hobbyist type users

Hi Dale, I have not come across anything better yet, although i did find a similar machine on Alibaba.com which shows minimum order quantity 1,000 units. No thanks!

I need to order another machine soon. While buffing Michael`s gorgeous 68 coupe today the Flex decided to crap itself. Managed to get the job done but the Flex kept cutting out. Now it will not start at all. Bugger! So have to make a decision. Cheap machine or another flex or go all out on another festool shinex. Not sure which way to go yet.

I do like the idea of buying 6 of the Chinese machines. Anybody besides Dale interested in one? Happy to post interstate as long as the costs are covered.

A couple of shots showing Michael`s bootlid -

All finished -

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 02, 2012, 04:27:47 PM
only need four takers then mate, dont think it would be too hard to find.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 02, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
After leaving the Hilux sitting outside for 5 years it needs a wash and polish and Frankenstangs paint is now 10 years old, so it needs a polish too.
So i will have one if theres one left.
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 02, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
three more, come on fellas........hands up & we can a cheap polisher
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mustang-jerry on November 02, 2012, 06:03:04 PM
Hi Dad (aka rocket)

I did see the polisher you use here in sema the orange one ...don't remember the name still hungover.

Ill go past and talk to him about importing them tomorrow, Probably would be a minimum buy but sure there is the damand if i can get them for the right price.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 02, 2012, 06:23:30 PM
Here tip for those of us with decal stripes

Once you have finished the task of polishing your pride & joy,  go back around with a new polishing clothe and run fingernail with the clothe along the edges of the stripes to remove the excess polish build up.  You will be amazed how crisp it looks.  Ooh and judges didn't mend this extra attention details either.

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 02, 2012, 06:36:59 PM
OK. Will order the six of them.

Reserved so far
Rocket 1
Dale 1
Scedd1 ( Steve )  1
That leaves 3 more - first in best dressed.

Here is the Link for those interested -
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

By ordering the 6 - cost will be $116.53. Pick up from Pooraka SA or will post interstate or country for you as long as you pay for the postage.

Jeremy, Glad to hear from you. Sounds like you are enjoying SEMA :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Mum said to say hi to Monique

The polishing machine you are talking about is the Flex XC 3401 VRG. But be careful. The Americans use a different power system. So the Flex we need is called the Export model which is 230 volt. If they have it at SEMA can you grab me one and i will fix you up when you return. Will put the Link from mwizz ( Mark ) up shortly.

Edit - here is the Link from Mark -
http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)

Your blue Mach1 is finished. Here are the photos i took earlier -

Rocket ( aka Dad ).
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 02, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
Here tip for those of us with decal stripes

Once you have finished the task of polishing your pride & joy,  go back around with a new polishing clothe and run fingernail with the clothe along the edges of the stripes to remove the excess polish build up.  You will be amazed how crisp it looks.  Ooh and judges didn't mend this extra attention details either.

Herman

Hi Herman, Thanks for the tip. Will give it a go. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on November 02, 2012, 07:10:35 PM
Hey Rod
Just how many polishers can you use at once.   :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :bolt:
If you get to be a Flex agent I will probably get one off you if the price is right.  Nearly ordered one from Tool King when I was looking on their site but I am running short just now and was thinking (dreaming) perhaps after Xmas. The ute could do with a good polish and so could Briars car.

Car is looking better than what it was when it went in and its not even painted yet.

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 02, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
Hi Jack, My Flex crapped itself today. I cannot complain - that machine has done lots and lots of cars over the last 3 or 4 years. Their is a maintenance manual online which explains that it does require lubrication now and again. But i have never lubed it! So my bad! That`ll teach me! :kickass: I suspect it would cost more to repair than just buying a new one from the USA. Something about being controlled by a computer chip.

Will be interesting to see what Jeremy can come up with. Could be a problem if the Aussie Agent has an exclusive agreement. I believe the machines are actually made in Germany and shipped all over the world. Probably simply a matter of economies of scale that they are cheaper from the USA.

Had a look at your car late this arvo. Brad has done a great job working that bodyfiller. Will look better than new shortly.  :thumb:

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on November 02, 2012, 11:11:23 PM
Oh no, not the Flex. Hopefully you can replace it with an export version.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 03, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
OK. Will order the six of them.


Here is the Link for those interested -
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

By ordering the 6 - cost will be $116.53. Pick up from Pooraka SA or will post interstate or country for you as long as you pay for the postage.


so Rocket is this on similar to the flex? Better then (safer) then the one I have been using?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 03, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
Hi Justang, I believe your Rockwell machine is a Rotary. Had a look at the specs which show it is 1200W with a Variable speed range of 600 - 3000RPM. Being a rotary and quite powerful it will generate a lot of heat very quickly on the paint surface.

This means it will do the job much faster than a orbital dual action machine - including the Flex. But - that heat can burn through the paint very easily if the machine is kept in one position or crosses over an edge. Rotaries are best left to the professionals, however if you have already used the machine and feel confident using it - go for it. To a professional time is money so they want to get the job done as quickly as possible, therefore the rotary is their friend.

Another consideration is that rotary polishers can leave holograms and buffer trails on the paint even in the hands of a seasoned pro, so they will often do the final stage of a polish job using an orbital dual action machine such as the Flex because they do not generate as much heat and therefore will not leave those holograms and buffer trails on the paint.

The Flex is considered to be the Rolls Royce of orbital dual action polishers. It is a direct drive machine which is designed to have a orbital rotation that simulates the circular motion of a human hand. It has exceptional torque which means it will not bog down under load. The fact that orbital dual action machines do not generate much heat on the paint means they are a lot safer for beginners.

The cheaper orbital dual action machine mentioned in the link is the next step down from the Flex. A lot of people cannot justify spending $480 -$650 on a polishing machine. This makes a machine for under $150 a better purchase for those people. It MAY bog down under load and take a bit longer to polish a car than the more expensive machines, but that is a fair compromise for a weekend warrior.

Hope that answers your question.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 03, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Hi Rocket

I didn't know whether this has been asked but what would you recommend for someone just starting out I.e Which Polish and machine for old & new Paint.

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 12:13:45 AM
Hi Herman, it all depends on the amount of money one is prepared to spend.

Firstly, for those on a budget the kit in the following link is extremely good value. At $299.95 it includes a Dual Action Polishing Machine, 4 Lake Country Buffing Pads, 3 different Menzerna Polishes and Menzerna Sealant all in a carry bag. Waxit are very customer focused and fast to deliver. Link -
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=462&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=462&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

In addition to the above, you should also clay the car before polishing. Here is a Link to a good value Clay and Lube from Chemical Guys -
 http://www.chemguys.com.au/Gray_Light_Duty_209_Gram_Auto_Detail_Clay_Bar_p/cly_kit_2.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Gray_Light_Duty_209_Gram_Auto_Detail_Clay_Bar_p/cly_kit_2.htm)

A supply of clean Microfibre cloths is essential. Link -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_333_6.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_333_6.htm)
We buy packs of 25 Microfibre cloths from supercheap. The orange ones which are often on sale for around $30. The quality of these is not as good as the cloths in the Chemical Guys link, but it does not matter to us because our cloths tend to go walkabout. The factory boys use them to clean mirrors and the car factory use them for anything! :kickass:

If you want to get straight into top of the line equipment, buy a Flex from overseas which will cost about $480 delivered. Link -
 http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)

The Menzerna Polish can be bought from Waxit.com.au in a 4 polish sample pack for $50. Pads can be purchased locally from Chemical Guys. i would suggest 2 of each in Orange, White and Black.

I am currently putting a budget pack together with the intention of making it even cheaper. Did you see the Link to the Chinese dual Action Machine for $116.53 plus postage? Add the Menzerna 4 pack sampler for $50. Pads are included with the machine. So for under $200 you can get cracking. Only kicker is i have not tried the machine yet. They will arrive in about 10 working days.

Edit. I am a big fan of Menzerna Polishes. For my purpose, buffing cars which have mostly had recent paint jobs Menzerna is superb. There are a lot of other polishes which can be used. A popular low cost polish is Autoglym Super Resin Polish, and there are also a couple of Meguiars which are pretty good. Came across the following Thread on the Detail Paradise Forum where a chap used this combo on an older Commodore ute. Check it out -
http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8779-Old-And-Simple-But-Bloody-Effective (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8779-Old-And-Simple-But-Bloody-Effective)


Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 04, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
There are a lot of other polishes which can be used. A popular low cost polish is Autoglym Super Resin Polish, and there are also a couple of Meguiars which are pretty good.
I can vouch for Autoglym Super Resin polish. I used it on mine before applying the Autoglym HD Wax. It doesn't seem to have any cutting ability so I expect it's only good for new, freshly cut or maintained paint.
Rocket, can you recommend a hand polish/fine cutter with slight abrasive qualities that I can use before the other two products? I'm forever noticing fine scratches, especially after washing. I learnt a very valuable lesson a few months back......DON'T DRY WITH A CHAMOIS!!  :ouch: The level of shine in my paint is so high that everything shows up. Fortunately, the HD wax fills alot of the fine scratches & brings back the richness.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 04, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
yes thanks Rocket answered.

I found that autogeek had some good packages with the flex compared to  toolking, specially if one was to bring in the Pads from them too like you suggested earlier

 http://autogeek.commerce-search.net/search?catalog=autogeek&query=flex+xc3401vrg&x=0&y=0 (http://autogeek.commerce-search.net/search?catalog=autogeek&query=flex+xc3401vrg&x=0&y=0)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
I can vouch for Autoglym Super Resin polish. I used it on mine before applying the Autoglym HD Wax. It doesn't seem to have any cutting ability so I expect it's only good for new, freshly cut or maintained paint.
Rocket, can you recommend a hand polish/fine cutter with slight abrasive qualities that I can use before the other two products? I'm forever noticing fine scratches, especially after washing. I learnt a very valuable lesson a few months back......DON'T DRY WITH A CHAMOIS!!  :ouch: The level of shine in my paint is so high that everything shows up. Fortunately, the HD wax fills alot of the fine scratches & brings back the richness.

Evan.

Hi Evan, Some paints are considered hard while others are considered soft. Sounds like your paint is of the soft variety. I have seen marks in paint after washing and drying exactly as you describe. Very important to use a Chenille Wash Mitt when washing, then dry with a Microfibre Drying Towell. Check out the Links to ChemGuys i posted in an earlier post.

I believe your paint would benefit from the use of a Sealant such as ChemGuys Jetseal 109 or Zaino. This will put a hard surface on your paint and therefore protect it from those fine scratches. If you apply three coats of Sealant (after washing the car), allowing 24 hours between coats, then finish off with an application of your HD Wax the shine will be incredible and your paint protected.

I will do a search later and try to find a recommendation for a good, slightly abrasive hand polish. Look for the Edit on this post tonight.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 04, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Thanks mate, much appreciated. Please don't go out of your way, I'm on no hurry. The paint truly looks amazing. I get asked about it everywhere I go.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 02:48:05 PM
yes thanks Rocket answered.

I found that autogeek had some good packages with the flex compared to  toolking, specially if one was to bring in the Pads from them too like you suggested earlier

 http://autogeek.commerce-search.net/search?catalog=autogeek&query=flex+xc3401vrg&x=0&y=0 (http://autogeek.commerce-search.net/search?catalog=autogeek&query=flex+xc3401vrg&x=0&y=0)

Justang, I had not seen those packages before. The one in this Link seems to be very good value -
http://www.autogeek.net/flex-1000-230v.html (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-1000-230v.html)
There are 5 Lake Country CCS Pads included. Colour of your choice. In that package i would ask for 1X Orange, 2x White, 2x Gray ( Black ).
The price of that package is $459.99 USD. That price does not include Shipping, which if done by Fedex or UPS would probably add another $200 or so. However you can request shipping via US Postal Service which is a lot cheaper.

I order pads in Bulk quantities from Autogeek. Link -
http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-6pack.html (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-6pack.html)
I buy 6 each of the following colours each time - Orange, White, Green Polishing, Gray ( black ). Those 4 colours will take care of every job. Shipping cost is normall $80 via USPostalService.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
Thanks mate, much appreciated. Please don't go out of your way, I'm on no hurry. The paint truly looks amazing. I get asked about it everywhere I go.

Evan.

No worries Evan, although i think a lot of people would like to know the names of some good slightly abrasive polishes. I will try to find some.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on November 04, 2012, 03:51:12 PM
This is the buff I use with Menzerna polishes and CG products

http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=4331&bc=no (http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=4331&bc=no)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
Hey Gretschem, The Festool Shinex is a beautiful rotary polisher. Have one ourselves, but the bloody panel beater realised how good it is for sanding bodyfiller. At the time we had 22 Hail Damaged Hyundais to repair.
After that i feel the tool is ruined for polishing duties.Worried that a bit of filler could fall out of it and scratch a new paint job.

Tossing around whether to buy another and keep it in the boot. At $760 it is not cheap!

Gretschem - you do a lot of detailing - any suggestions of a good, slightly abrasive polish that can be used by hand?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on November 04, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
T Cut, Farecla G6. Juice Swirl Remover...
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 04, 2012, 05:12:47 PM
I believe your paint would benefit from the use of a Sealant such as ChemGuys Jetseal 109 or Zaino. This will put a hard surface on your paint and therefore protect it from those fine scratches. If you apply three coats of Sealant (after washing the car), allowing 24 hours between coats, then finish off with an application of your HD Wax the shine will be incredible and your paint protected.
Rocket.

The princess has a year old SS Commodore in the new Chlorophyll colour (blue in the sun, green in the shade).
It lives in the garage and has 5,000kms on the clock.
We will keep it for about 5 years/ 25,000kms.
Would this sealant be suitable for the factory paint, which seems to be a top quality job to me?
My main aim is to avoid washing and polishing, as i am a lazy bastard, even though i am getting the fancy polisher.
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 04, 2012, 07:41:28 PM
Thanks Rocket will definitely take it on board but just to confirm what is the main differences when polishing old paint and a car which has just been painted. 

Normally I am a Meguirs person who goes with the hand polishing of vehicle were I can go around the car up to 5 times including the washing & drying

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 04, 2012, 09:01:59 PM
OK. Will order the six of them.

Reserved so far
Rocket 1
Dale 1
Scedd1 ( Steve )  1
That leaves 3 more - first in best dressed.

Here is the Link for those interested -
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

By ordering the 6 - cost will be $116.53. Pick up from Pooraka SA or will post interstate or country for you as long as you pay for the postage.

Jeremy, Glad to hear from you. Sounds like you are enjoying SEMA :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Mum said to say hi to Monique

The polishing machine you are talking about is the Flex XC 3401 VRG. But be careful. The Americans use a different power system. So the Flex we need is called the Export model which is 230 volt. If they have it at SEMA can you grab me one and i will fix you up when you return. Will put the Link from mwizz ( Mark ) up shortly.

Edit - here is the Link from Mark -
http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt# (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt#)

Your blue Mach1 is finished. Here are the photos i took earlier -

Rocket ( aka Dad ).
G/day mate. Can you put me down for 1 as well if possible??. I will work out how to get it down to me in the South East. or pick up when I'm in town next.
Let me know.
cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 09:17:44 PM
Hi 69candy, Will put you down for one. So now we have
Rocket
Hertz66
scedd1
69candy
That takes care of 4 machines. Just 2 more left to be placed. Here is the link again
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 09:28:23 PM
The princess has a year old SS Commodore in the new Chlorophyll colour (blue in the sun, green in the shade).
It lives in the garage and has 5,000kms on the clock.
We will keep it for about 5 years/ 25,000kms.
Would this sealant be suitable for the factory paint, which seems to be a top quality job to me?
My main aim is to avoid washing and polishing, as i am a lazy bastard, even though i am getting the fancy polisher.
Steve

Steve, Yes... The Sealant will protect your paint - for a while. But remember, Sealants do wear out after a few months and require topping up. I would give the Jetseal 109 a top up of 2 coats every 6 months. Application of a Sealant will make it much easier to wash the car, but a weekly wash is still required. I wonder if a 3 monthly Wax would be better for you - less work. There is a fantastic Wax called DP MaxWax available from Waxit.com.au for about $40 Easy on, easy off. Not much work for a great finish.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 09:56:19 PM
Thanks Rocket will definitely take it on board but just to confirm what is the main differences when polishing old paint and a car which has just been painted. 

Normally I am a Meguirs person who goes with the hand polishing of vehicle were I can go around the car up to 5 times including the washing & drying

Herman

You must be very fit Herman!
I came across this gem while checking out good polishes to use by hand  " Personally, i have trouble moving my hand at over 1,000 RPM - so i use a polishing machine ". :grin:

Differences in polishing old or new paint?
If the old paint is oxidised , generally it would require a more aggressive first step compound. Something like Menzerna PF 1000 or Meguiars ScratchX, or Meguiuars Megs105 . After that first step i would still use my 3 favourites Menzerna PF 2500, SF4000 and SF4500 .

Of course you need to be a bit careful. You do not know how thin the old paint is, so it is wise to do a test using the rule of thumb, start with a light polish and see how it goes, then work up to the aggressive polish/ pad combinations till you find the right combo that will do the job in the quickest time.

You will find that Acrylic Lacqeur paints without clear coat will leave a lot of paint on your polish applicator, but with 2 pak paints you will not see any paint on your applicator.

Regarding best polishes to use by hand - Gretschem suggests TCut, Farecla G6, Juice Swirl remover. Others i have seen recommended via a google search which have a slight abrasive and easy to work by hand are Megs no. 80 followed by Megs no.81.   Megs 105 followed by Megs 206.    Zaino ZPC.    Duragloss DG501 is another.

Here is an excellent Thread by Mike Phillips at Autogeek Titled " Man V Machine "
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/20257-man-versus-machine.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/20257-man-versus-machine.html)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 04, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Hi 69candy, Will put you down for one. So now we have
Rocket
Hertz66
scedd1
69candy
That takes care of 4 machines. Just 2 more left to be placed. Here is the link again
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Rocket.
Cheers Mate. Any idea when you will have them??
Thanks
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 04, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
Ordered them on Saturday and was informed 10 working days
Will advise when they arrive and will do a test straight away to see how good they are. Watch for pics and maybe a YouTube Video.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 6R07K on November 05, 2012, 01:41:30 AM
Great thread, got my bottle of jetseal109 last week and keen to give it a go rather then the 3 coats of wax like normal.

I recommend Dodo Juice born slippy, its a concentrate you mix up to use as lube when claying. With the other off the shelf products I have used found myself needing to reapply before finished working the area. But with born slippy you can work away and it doesn't dissipate.

Purple is the go for polishing up those chrome bumpers on our mustangs.

Tend to get most my stuff from http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/ (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/) as they have a big range, prices are fair and being on the opposite side of the country their delivery is quick.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 05, 2012, 10:35:49 AM
Ordered them on Saturday and was informed 10 working days
Will advise when they arrive and will do a test straight away to see how good they are. Watch for pics and maybe a YouTube Video.

Rocket.

Rocket get our money first...if its crap none of us will want it........  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on November 05, 2012, 11:07:13 AM
Gee when i asked what polish to use on my stang i thought someone would  just  say turtle wax . Been very interesting thanks ,GLENN 70 .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: StephenSLR on November 05, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
Gee when i asked what polish to use on my stang i thought someone would  just  say turtle wax . Been very interesting thanks

Back in 1970 you washed your car and applied Turtle Wax, that was it for most of us.

Now there's a whole world of products and applications.

s
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on November 05, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
Maybe for you and the others but 1970 i was cleaning my pushbike .  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 05, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
Maybe for you and the others but 1970 i was cleaning my pushbike .  :grin: :grin:
  Me too, my dragster with the three speed shifter & sissy bar at the rear...  :thumb:
 
(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww313/ozzyone_photos/FUN%20STUFF/dragster-bike-cool-70s-60s-kids1.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 05, 2012, 01:02:41 PM
Rocket get our money first...if its crap none of us will want it........  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Dale, A bit of creative editing and all is well. :grin: :grin:

Seriously though, I have a hunch that these type of machines all come out of the same factory. Creative colour changes and badge engineering.

In any case i will offer a concrete warranty - once they are off our concrete - all yours for better or worse. :grin:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on November 05, 2012, 01:20:24 PM
My dragster had twin mirrors and a head light .HA HA .AND I USE TO TURTLE WAX IT .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 05, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Quote
You must be very fit Herman!

Nah not fit just didn't know any better until now  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 07:35:33 PM
Nah not fit just didn't know any better until now  :thumb:

Does that mean you are becoming a convert to machine polishing? :hi:

Received notification that the 6 polishing machines were shipped today. Hopefully they will be here mid next week. Question now is - which car to try one out on. Maybe Moniques Convertible or Jeremys Fastback. 
Then again, might be best to try it out on a Holden first :grin: :sick:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 07, 2012, 07:37:52 PM
Quote
Does that mean you are becoming a convert to machine polishing?
I could be as it will save me a lot time and effort  :evilone:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 07, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Herman's pretty good with his hands. Just look at his avatar  :grin:

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 07, 2012, 08:29:57 PM
Hi Rocket, If you have any of those polishers left, can you put my name on one please.
Cheers Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
Herman's pretty good with his hands. Just look at his avatar  :grin:

Evan.

Ahhhh... I see.   Herman - just what are you polishing in that photo? :bolt:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
Hi Rocket, If you have any of those polishers left, can you put my name on one please.
Cheers Vic.

Hi Fast69back, Your name is added. Which State are you located?

That means 5 are now placed. Who wants to be the lucky last? Only one more available.

List is -
Rocket
66Hertz
scedd1
69candy
Fast69back

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 07, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
Hi Rocket, Thanks for that. I'm in Queensland. Just let me know cost+post and handling and I will direct deposit your bank account.

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
 Hi Vic, No worries. Will do.

Thanks.

Remember guys, last unit goes to first person requesting it on this Thread.

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: MachAttack on November 07, 2012, 09:55:18 PM

Then again, might be best to try it out on a Holden first :grin: :sick:

Rocket.

Put me down for one Rocket, I'll try it out on this one for you  :grin::

(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/seeyoujimmy/Black%201969%20Mach%201%20Mustang/005.jpg)

I can direct deposit or paypal.
Thanks.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shelbyright on November 07, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
So what car polish do you use on your stang . Whats the best polish you have used .
this is a fantastic thread, im a little concerned about having a go myself on the supersnake. so does anyone know a good detailer?.maybe you rocket?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 10:16:50 PM
Hi MachAttack, Goodo - last one is reserved for you.

Don`t worry, that is a fine piece of engineering excellence in your drive - The Holden does not look too shabby either. :grin: :thumb:

So final list is
Rocket
66 Hertz
scedd1
69candy
Fast69back
MachAttack.

For anybody else who may want one, you can order it from this AliExpress Link. It is a safe way to buy from China. Payment is made when ordering, then your funds are released to seller after you receive the goods.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Can you guys from Interstate please U2U your postcodes so that i can get a postage cost from the Post Office.

Thanks.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: MachAttack on November 07, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
Can do Rocket, thanks heaps.  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 07, 2012, 10:31:36 PM
this is a fantastic thread, im a little concerned about having a go myself on the supersnake. so does anyone know a good detailer?.maybe you rocket?

Hi shelbyright Glad you are enjoying the Thread.

Using these RO Polishers is very safe. They do not generate a lot of heat like rotary polishes. If you do it yourself it will be a lot cheaper. It takes about 15 hours to do a whole car in 3 stages.
However, if you really want someone to do it for you it needs to be a specialist polisher. Not a lot of detailers know how to do this type of polishing. Where are you located? If in Adelaide i may be able to assist, but would need the car for a week. We get very busy running our main business, so when polishing a car i just grab a couple of hours a day in between customers.
Here is a list of Detailers in each state who are familiar with  this work -
 http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 08, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
Great thread, got my bottle of jetseal109 last week and keen to give it a go rather then the 3 coats of wax like normal.

I recommend Dodo Juice born slippy, its a concentrate you mix up to use as lube when claying. With the other off the shelf products I have used found myself needing to reapply before finished working the area. But with born slippy you can work away and it doesn't dissipate.

Purple is the go for polishing up those chrome bumpers on our mustangs.

Tend to get most my stuff from http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/ (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/) as they have a big range, prices are fair and being on the opposite side of the country their delivery is quick.


6R07K, Would be good if you post your thoughts on Jetseal 109 after you do the job. Also some photos of your car would be appreciated. :thumb:

Checked out the DoDo Clay Lube Concentrate you mentioned. Sounds good. I just used Quick Detailer with a bit of detergent added after i ran out of clay lube last week, but i could feel that it was not as good as the clay lube. Link -
 http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/dodo_juice/born_slippy_concentrate/500ml (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/dodo_juice/born_slippy_concentrate/500ml)

Will try and locate some Purple Polish for the chrome too. Bumper Bars could certainly use it.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on November 08, 2012, 07:40:32 PM
Rocket, can you recommend a hand polish/fine cutter with slight abrasive qualities that I can use before the other two products? I'm forever noticing fine scratches, especially after washing. I learnt a very valuable lesson a few months back......DON'T DRY WITH A CHAMOIS!!  :ouch: The level of shine in my paint is so high that everything shows up. Fortunately, the HD wax fills alot of the fine scratches & brings back the richness.

Evan.
Waffle Weave Microfibre is the only towel worth drying with, they do a really good job and don't scratch your paint if you use them correctly.

Waffle Weave Drying Towel from TowelPros Microfiber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3yL97yGF0I#)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on November 08, 2012, 07:49:25 PM
Someone asked for some tips, these are a few I have picked up that I didn't see covered elsewhere.

Excess polish, after a few panels as the pad starts to get more polish on it, I like to use it on the windscreen.  I always have the brush to help clean my pads after a few panels, but this also helps get rid of any excess, and your windscreen will be the cleanest you've ever seen!!!

Plexus - excellent cleaner/polish for your glass and plastics around your vehicle.  I use it on all my headlights, taillights and windows, I've even found it's safe on window tint film.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 6R07K on November 08, 2012, 07:54:36 PM
Job done, but the photos really don't show it very well. Perth weather is just to sunny and quality was lost when reducing them.

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/6R07K/1.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/6R07K/2.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/6R07K/3.jpg)

Hard to say if the finish with Jetseal109 is better as it was pretty good to start for 20 year old paint. Think this will be an endurance test and see how it looks 6 months down the track. Certainly laying down two coats of jetseal109 is easier then my usual 3 of wax after a polish.

PS: Use a waffle weave of a different brand also for drying, good old chamois hasn't seen any use since.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 08, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Nobby76, Those are great tips. Thanks. I will certainly take them on board. Must try that Plexus glass Polish.

Please keep them coming. The more contributors the better :thumb:

6R07K, Love the colour on your car, and that shine is sensational. You obviously maintain it extremely well. Thanks for the pics. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 08, 2012, 08:41:56 PM
Can you only buy these Waffle weaves out of the USA?? As I always hate using a chammy. but it is all I have ever found. Just using a high quaility one
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 08, 2012, 09:04:39 PM
Can you only buy these Waffle weaves out of the USA?? As I always hate using a chammy. but it is all I have ever found. Just using a high quaility one

Here you go -
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=33&category_id=26&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=33&category_id=26&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

and
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_781_01.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_781_01.htm)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 08, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
cheers, Might get some polish while I'm at it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Gretschem on November 09, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
the one from CG is the go. it absorbs forever. unless youre hercules, youll never "ring it out". I wrap it around my clothes line pole and twist it till the water is out and then continue drying
Title: Re Polishing Eleanor
Post by: rocket on November 10, 2012, 09:05:38 AM
Hey Gretschem, That Waffle Weave Towel sounds like it would be very heavy when wet! Would it be possible to just cut it in half - or would it fray?

I just use 2 normal Microfibre cloths to dry the car. The Towel would probably be a whole lot quicker.

I have been checking out the show and shine section on the Detailing Forums looking for good before and after pics of swirl marks. Came across this Eleanor that just looks stunning!
Check it out -
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/142671-1967-shelby-gt500-eleanor-correction-lucci-elite.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/142671-1967-shelby-gt500-eleanor-correction-lucci-elite.html)

Somebody was asking about the new Rupes Bigfoot Polisher through the week. Found a Thread on Autopia where it was used to polish a couple of Jags. It is pic heavy. Link -
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/142582-miracle-detail-present-2-jaguars-both-corrected-rupes-bigfoot-system.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/142582-miracle-detail-present-2-jaguars-both-corrected-rupes-bigfoot-system.html)

Rocket.


Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on November 10, 2012, 04:49:50 PM
WOW  talk about a mirror finish, looks fantastic
wonder how long it took to get to that stage
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 01:48:41 AM
WOW  talk about a mirror finish, looks fantastic
wonder how long it took to get to that stage
Sally

Hi Sally, A Lot of work has gone into that car. Here are a couple of photos from the Link -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/2A9A2800.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/2A9A2790.jpg)

For anybody wanting to get involved with machine polishing, the following Link from autogeek shows an excellent example of what you are trying to achieve, which is eliminating swirl marks and glossing up your paint. The car being polished is a 1936 Chevy Coupe. Check it out -
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/57235-dodo-juice-1936-chevy-coupe-extreme-makeover.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/57235-dodo-juice-1936-chevy-coupe-extreme-makeover.html)

A bit uncanny really. This morning i went through the different waxes in my kit and settled on Dodo Supernatural to wax the Grande. Did the job this morning. Happy with the look. Then tonight i look at Autogeek and see them using Dodo products.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 6R07K on November 11, 2012, 03:13:37 AM
Supernatural was what I used last time around and was finding hard to fault compared to jetseal109.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 06:38:05 AM
6R07K, I am a bit surprised. Are you saying that you are not impressed with the Jetseal? Your car looks to have an extreme shine in the photos. Please elaborate.... All opinions regarding products are appreciated.
Waxes tend to give a car a warm look whereas a sealant will be more of a plastic looking shine.

I always give a car 3 coats of jetseal allowing 24 hours between coats. I am always amazed by the shine that is left on the car. A lot of people will also wax their car after the sealant has cured ( 24hours ). The Grande has had 3 coats of sealant a few months back and i just waxed it yesterday to lift the shine up again. Might even give it a coat of Wolfgang Fuzion Wax as well next week. With a few cars lined up to polish over the next few months it will be a while before i get to polish the rest of the Grande.

Guess my point is - if you prefer the look of a wax maybe put a coat of supernatural over the Jetseal. The sealant will still be protecting the paint. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on November 11, 2012, 09:45:00 AM
Might be getting a flex for Christmas.  Want all my cars looking like that.  Could give the 69 the full treatment and see how it comes up.  May need some coaching howto tho.  :pepper:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on November 11, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
Question were is jetseal 109 made ,i am going to usa in a couple of days can i buy it there .cheaper im sure .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 6R07K on November 11, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
G'day Rocket

No complaints with the Jetseal look, certainly like the easy application and like the protection benefits. Below is the wax look from 2010 under the same lighting, so you can see its hard to spot the difference. Can't recall which wax, possibly a meguires one, wouldn't have been Supernatural though.

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/6R07K/6R07K195.jpg)

How long on average does Jetseal last as I don't recall seeing it mentioned on the bottle?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 11, 2012, 11:27:41 AM
I believe your paint would benefit from the use of a Sealant such as ChemGuys Jetseal 109 or Zaino. This will put a hard surface on your paint and therefore protect it from those fine scratches. If you apply three coats of Sealant (after washing the car), allowing 24 hours between coats, then finish off with an application of your HD Wax the shine will be incredible and your paint protected.
You don't have to tell me twice Rocket. I tracked down a bottle of Jetseal 109 on Friday night & got stuck into it. Due to time resrtraints, I cheated slightly (fantastic weather forecast for today/Sunday). Applied first coat on Friday night, wiped off Saturday morning (yes, wiped off. This is the easiest stuff I've ever used!!!). Reapplied 2nd coat & wiped off 4 hours later. Paint looked very rich & shiny, much like it does after a wax. I then applied one coat of Autoglym HD wax. Looks a million bucks!

See pics below:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8059/8173542060_3795a128a6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173542060/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173542060/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8173541812_f05a319bdc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173541812/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173541812/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8487/8173510657_3493bfc7f0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510657/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510657/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8173510413_fddfa850ec.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510413/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510413/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8173510173_30971bcbb4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510173/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510173/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8069/8173509863_db5fdca5da.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173509863/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173509863/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr

Thanks Rocket.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
Might be getting a flex for Christmas.  Want all my cars looking like that.  Could give the 69 the full treatment and see how it comes up.  May need some coaching howto tho.  :pepper:

That will be a great Christmas present for you. :thumb: More than happy to give you some coaching. :cheers:

Hmmmm... That gives me an idea. Wonder if i can con the missus for a new one. :grin: :grin:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
You don't have to tell me twice Rocket. I tracked down a bottle of Jetseal 109 on Friday night & got stuck into it. Due to time resrtraints, I cheated slightly (fantastic weather forecast for today/Sunday). Applied first coat on Friday night, wiped off Saturday morning (yes, wiped off. This is the easiest stuff I've ever used!!!). Reapplied 2nd coated & wiped off 4 hours later. Paint looked very rich & shiny, much like it does after a wax. I then applied one coat of Autoglym HD wax. Looks a million bucks!

See pics below:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8059/8173542060_3795a128a6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173542060/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173542060/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8173541812_f05a319bdc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173541812/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173541812/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8487/8173510657_3493bfc7f0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510657/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510657/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8173510413_fddfa850ec.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510413/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510413/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8173510173_30971bcbb4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510173/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173510173/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8069/8173509863_db5fdca5da.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173509863/)
detailed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8173509863/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr

Thanks Rocket.

Evan.

WOW!!!! Your car looks incredible! :thumb:

I tried leaving Jetseal to cure overnight once on a suggestion by Rex at Chemical guys. It was very hot weather and it took ages to wipe it off. The heat had made it go completely dry, but the shine was great. Now i only leave it for an hour or so...... But looking at your car i might leave it for 4 hours or so in future - but not in real hot weather.

In answer to 6R07K, there are varying opinions as to the durability ( or longevity ) of jetseal109. In my experience it lasts 4-6 months, but i do tend to give it a top up after about 3 months normally - just one more coat. But a sealant should not be put over the top of a wax. Therefore if you have put wax on, the car will require a claying to remove both wax and sealant before reapplying sealant. But if you are busy - just put another coat of wax on after 3 months or so.

Here are some reviews i found on Jetseal -
http://www.detailedimage.com/Chemical-Guys-M31/Jet-Seal-109-P184/Reviews/ (http://www.detailedimage.com/Chemical-Guys-M31/Jet-Seal-109-P184/Reviews/)

Glenn70, I did a search and came up with the locations in the following Link -
http://www.chemicalguys.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=240 (http://www.chemicalguys.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=240)
And
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 11, 2012, 11:58:04 AM
Thanks Rocket! I applied the first coat at night & wiped off at 7am while it was still cool. I guess that helped. The second coat came off at lunchtime on a warmish day but was only on for 4 hours. Very easy to remove.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 12:17:44 PM
Evan, Your car looks absolutely sensational.

I think you have just proven the point that Rex from Chemguys was making. The longer you can leave it on - the better the shine.

The price of Jetseal in the USA is $38.95 compared to the local price of $45.95. Link -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Auto_Detailing_Resin_Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Auto_Detailing_Resin_Paint_Sealant_JetSeal_109_p/wac_118_16.htm)

Well worth it in my opinion.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 6R07K on November 11, 2012, 12:36:42 PM
Evan that is a sensational finish.

Think I'll have to hit mine with another coat of jetseal and leave it a few hours this time and follow up with a wax.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Rocket, or anyone else for that matter, does anyone use a 3 inch buffer at all? I love this detailed tech talk and follow a lot on another painting forum. Recently they were discussing the use of 3 inch buffers, I was interested in what the Aussie guys thought and used? It makes a lot of sense to me as I use a wide range of discs sizes when I am woodworking. After so much great discussion on buffers in this thread, I thought delving further would be great.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2012, 08:51:07 PM
Hi Ash, For most polishing applications i use 6.5"Pads which fit nicely on the standard Flex Polisher ( 5")125mm Backing Plate.

There are a variety of different sizes available for backing plates, so normally you would use the same machine and just change backing plates to the size required for the job at hand.
A 3" Backing Plate would use 4"Pads. These are used in tight areas such as around mirrors, lights, back panels, curved panels etc.

Here is a Link to different sizes of Pads -
http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-pads.html (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-ccs-pads.html)

And a selection of backing plates -
http://www.autogeek.net/lc43175.html (http://www.autogeek.net/lc43175.html)

I believe even Flex now have a Backing Plate system where you can have a choice of Backing Plate sizes.

I miss my Flex :tissue: Suggested to the missus today that a new Flex would make a nice Christmas present. That went down like a lead balloon :kickass:
Think my bankcard is about to take a bit of a hiding... again. Bugger!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 11, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
Evan that is a sensational finish.

Think I'll have to hit mine with another coat of jetseal and leave it a few hours this time and follow up with a wax.
Thanks Ben (& Rocket).

I have no doubt that Jetseal is a fantastic product but I should mention that my car already had an amazing shine. After Rocket mentioned that it would add some durability, I figured it's worth doing. The more reviews I read on the product, the more I'm glad I used it.

Evan
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
Thanks, Rocket. Appreciate that and also for the links :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: UPCD on November 14, 2012, 08:24:26 AM
Hey Guys,

This is a fantastic thread and looking at Rockets work is just amazing. Such attention to detail and Fantastic results.

I thought you guys might like to see the below video. Its not a Mustang but the process involved is the same for every car hope you enjoy.

So my buddy over in the US has detailed one of the rarest Ferrari's around. The car is worth $1,000,000 and was in some serious need of restoration.

Preventing your car from getting to this condition is always important as Larry talks about in his video sometimes you just cant tell how much paint is left on a car.

It's a long video but super cool and well worth a look hope you guys enjoy.

$1,000,000 Ferrari Restoration Detail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htsl7ICY8Nw#ws)

Cheers

Matt
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: IGALOP on November 14, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Ev's car has the best finish I can recall seeing on any I've seen in 8 years of owning my Pony. I might add he did a lot of tedious prepping and had it painted by someone who knows what they are doing , but he really has a superb shine on that lil Pony. :drool:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 14, 2012, 10:21:14 AM
How many cars would u say u would get out of the 470ml bottle of jet seal someone that has used it?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
Ev's car has the best finish I can recall seeing on any I've seen in 8 years of owning my Pony. I might add he did a lot of tedious prepping and had it painted by someone who knows what they are doing , but he really has a superb shine on that lil Pony. :drool:

Hi Johnno, Yes - It sure has an incredible shine. Great preparation can make a huge difference. :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
How many cars would u say u would get out of the 470ml bottle of jet seal someone that has used it?

If you use thin coats - normally 3 coats per car - i think you would have enough for about 5-6 cars out of a 470ml bottle.

Just had a parcel arrive at work. Quite heavy and has Chinese writing on it. Could be the polishing machines. Short staffed and busy. Bugger! Will try to find time to open it later.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on November 14, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
Hey Rocket.

Just read thru this thread a little late ... are all the polishers taken ?

Thanks,
Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Hi Frank, Sorry - but yes - they are all taken from this order.

However, all is not lost. You can order from this Link -
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Aliexpress is quite safe to use. They hold the funds back from the supplier until you advise that you have received the goods.

I have just opened the package from China and can tell you  i am quite impressed so far. Well packaged, plenty of pads and even a free gift. Started a polisher and it seems good. Will do a test tomorrow.
Only criticism right now is the pads are too small. They fit on the backing plate - but no overlap. Will post photos and explain later.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on November 14, 2012, 04:30:25 PM
No probs Rocket.

I was a little spoilt when I painted my Muzzy in that a friend let me borrow his Festool polisher and that was awesome. but I dont like to stretch the friendship especially when I used up prob a bottle of his Mazerna polish and a pad or two and he insisted on not taking any $ or replacements.

What about an air DA sander ? i happen to have one of those and recently upgraded my compressor so it will drive it for a while.

Cheers,
Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 14, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
Just sent you a PM mate. Thanks


Hi Frank, Sorry - but yes - they are all taken from this order.

However, all is not lost. You can order from this Link -
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Aliexpress is quite safe to use. They hold the funds back from the supplier until you advise that you have received the goods.

I have just opened the package from China and can tell you  i am quite impressed so far. Well packaged, plenty of pads and even a free gift. Started a polisher and it seems good. Will do a test tomorrow.


Only criticism right now is the pads are too small. They fit on the backing plate - but no overlap. Will post photos and explain later.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
Hi 69candy, Message received and replied to. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 14, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
Ev's car has the best finish I can recall seeing on any I've seen in 8 years of owning my Pony. I might add he did a lot of tedious prepping and had it painted by someone who knows what they are doing , but he really has a superb shine on that lil Pony. :drool:
C'mon Johnno, you're making my car blush  :grin:
As you can imagine, I'm pretty stoked with the finish. The hard part now is keeping it clean.
I now need to invest in a good wash that doesn't strip the wax & Jetseal. I've been using plain water but the guy who supplied the Jetseal reckons that isn't such a great idea. I can't for the life of me remember the products he recommended. That might be another Rocket question to add to the list!!  :grin:

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 06:22:40 PM
No probs Rocket.

I was a little spoilt when I painted my Muzzy in that a friend let me borrow his Festool polisher and that was awesome. but I dont like to stretch the friendship especially when I used up prob a bottle of his Mazerna polish and a pad or two and he insisted on not taking any $ or replacements.

What about an air DA sander ? i happen to have one of those and recently upgraded my compressor so it will drive it for a while.

Cheers,
Frank.

Frank, I am not sure the DA air sander can do the job. Would be worried that RPM may not be consistent, which could result in patchy polishing. Have never used one for polishing, but have done lots of paint removal with that type of machine. Found the 15cfm compressor could not keep up so was always waiting for more air to build up.

Evan, I would suggest ChemGuys Citrus Wash and Gloss. But only a small amount is required. I only use one capful to a bucket of water. It is highly concentrated.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 14, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
Frank, let Rocket test out this  bit of kit from China and if Rocket say's its the goods we can get another group bye going. I am happy to be the middleman if Rocket too busy.

Lets see how it goes first  :thumb:

over to you Rocket   :evilone:

and remember  :coolpic:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Evan, I would suggest ChemGuys Citrus Wash and Gloss. But only a small amount is required. I only use one capful to a bucket of water. It is highly concentrated.

Rocket.
Thanks mate, just placed my order. While I was at, I also ordered a bottle of 'PAINT CORRECTION 1 No.778'. I figured I might need this down the track for any light scratching. Between that & the Autoglym Super Resin, I should have the polishing covered. I also ordered a bottle of 'Slick Synthetic-Acrylic Polymer Detailer' to try.
You'd better get onto this Rex guy & ask for your cut!  :grin:

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 08:09:10 PM
Thanks mate, just placed my order. While I was at, I also ordered a bottle of 'PAINT CORRECTION 1 No.778'. I figured I might need this down the track for any light scratching. Between that & the Autoglym Super Resin, I should have the polishing covered. I also ordered a bottle of 'Slick Synthetic-Acrylic Polymer Detailer' to try.
You'd better get onto this Rex guy & ask for your cut!  :grin:

Evan.

Hi Evan, Guess i had better hop onto the ChemGuys website and see what those products are. We use their CG-Speed Wipe Quick Detailer. Good stuff - we go through lots of it.
I have never met Rex, only spoken via the Forums and a couple of Emails. He seems a really decent bloke, and even sent me a very expensive wax to try out just after i did the wax test. I would not try to get a cut myself, but maybe a Forum Discount :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: We Are Gift!
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
 :grin:
This is the first thing i saw upon opening the polishing kits from China today

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/025-1.jpg)

Had time to check it out briefly this arvo - Box was heavy and well packaged -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/022-1.jpg)

The contents -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/024-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/032-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/033-1.jpg)

I put the Flex next to the machine to see the size difference in polishers. The Flex is only very slightly heavier.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/026-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/027-2.jpg)

Speed Dial on rear of Polisher -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/029-1.jpg)

On/Off switch at side -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/030-1.jpg)

Plugged the machine in and turned it on. Found the switch is quite positive, speed dial works reasonably well and sounds like it has some grunt. About the same noise level as the Flex

Only Criticism at the moment is the size of the pads. The backing plate is 125mm and so are the pads. I like to use a larger pad that overlaps the backing plate. It gives a safety margin. You do not want to hit a mirror with the backing plate whilst buffing away.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/034-2.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/035-2.jpg)

This is how i like it - a 6.5"pad gives plenty of side support -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/036.jpg)

Note the pad is not centered on the backing plate ( i was in a hurry ). The Pad should ALWAYS be centered or it will put the polisher out of balance.

Tomorrow i will do the test to find out how good it is. Jeremy is bringing in the Red Mach1 :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 14, 2012, 10:31:12 PM
Just placed an order with CG's and Wax It.
Ordered  Menzerna and pads as suggested. Jet seal 109. A replacement clay bar, luber, a drying towel from both places to see how they compared and a few other goodies.

opps, forgot the van polish Rocket  :grin:

while I was looking around I came across these pads Rocket and wondered if you or anyone had tried these out

http://www.chemguys.com.au/category_s/97.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/category_s/97.htm)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
That is a pretty big size order.

You will get lots of practice with that lot. :thumb:

Have heard of the HexLogic Pads, supposed to be pretty good. As yet, i have not tried them out because the cupboard already has 72 Lake Country CCS Pads. Figure they should last a few years.

Oh, I am sure your mum is happy for you to gain some experience on the Stang before you tackle the Caravan - That will be a big,big job. There goes your Christmas Holiday! :grin:

Rocket
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 14, 2012, 11:26:23 PM
There goes your Christmas Holiday! :grin:

 :toetapping: no seasonal holidays in my industry mate  :cry:

yeah big order all right, CC coped a flogging with some bulk product buys.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on November 14, 2012, 11:34:28 PM
Frank, I am not sure the DA air sander can do the job. Would be worried that RPM may not be consistent, which could result in patchy polishing. Have never used one for polishing, but have done lots of paint removal with that type of machine. Found the 15cfm compressor could not keep up so was always waiting for more air to build up.


OK .. I thought the air DA might not be good ... Otherwise more people would be using them I suppose.

Thanks Rocket.

Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on November 14, 2012, 11:35:28 PM
Frank, let Rocket test out this  bit of kit from China and if Rocket say's its the goods we can get another group bye going. I am happy to be the middleman if Rocket too busy.

Lets see how it goes first  :thumb:

over to you Rocket   :evilone:

and remember  :coolpic:

 :cheers:

OK cool .

thanks !
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 07:26:22 AM
Here is the Link to the Polishing Kits

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-710W-Dual-Action-Machine-Car-Polisher-Buffer-Sander/465867090.html)

Note that the individual price per Kit is $145 including Free Shipping, but the price for 6 or more is now listed at $133.40

Think they got caught out with the current shipment. They actually hit me up with an extra $65 for shipping - explaining that the then bulk buy price had not been calculated including shipping costs. No complaints.... Still think they are excellent value - will know for sure in a couple of hours.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on November 15, 2012, 07:53:18 AM
Thanks Rocket.

Seen them as low as $140 shipped from HK on eBay ... I assume they are the same.

Cheers,
Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 08:30:41 AM
Thanks Rocket.

Seen them as low as $140 shipped from HK on eBay ... I assume they are the same.

Cheers,
Frank.

Hi Frank, You are correct. They are exctly the same. The Seller is ZFE Stores. A google search shows they are quite active selling car polishers, pads, etc.

Ebay Link -
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3907.m570.l1311&_nkw=car+polisher+buffer&_sacat=0&_from=R40 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3907.m570.l1311&_nkw=car+polisher+buffer&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 15, 2012, 10:14:36 AM
I received a email from Antonio from Waxit this morning and gave him a call. I will post up more details when I get access to a computer rather then a phone.  Basically Waxit are happy to support Mustang Owners Club forum members with a 12.5% discount on most products. There are some conditions and I will inform more tonight on how to get the discount.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 06:35:40 PM
I received a email from Antonio from Waxit this morning and gave him a call. I will post up more details when I get access to a computer rather then a phone.  Basically Waxit are happy to support Mustang Owners Club forum members with a 12.5% discount on most products. There are some conditions and I will inform more tonight on how to get the discount.

jusTang, You are the man. Thankyou :bow: That is an excellent Discount!

Antonio from Waxit.com.au is an accomplished Detailer himself and is an absolute expert at this type of car polishing. You will see him post regularly on the Detail Paradise Forum.
If you read this Antonio, many thanks. We really appreciate your support.

Link to Waxit -
http://www.waxit.com.au/ (http://www.waxit.com.au/)

In other news today, i tested each polisher and packed the polishing kits. All good.
Then i began polishing the Red Mach1. The polisher exceeds expectations! It has plenty of grunt, does not bog down and is reasonably easy to handle. Big tick from me! :thumb:

Full post later with lots of pics.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 15, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
More news on the horizon also :thumb:, just need to sort out some particulars tomorrow

watch this space later tonight for Waxit details and tomorrow night  :evilone:
Title: Re Testing the ZFE Dual Action Machine Polisher
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 08:28:33 PM
Jeremy brought the Red Mach1 into work today so that we could test the new polisher on it -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/062.jpg)

We only wanted to test it on a couple of panels today - so did not bother to tape the car up.

First up - Preparing to polish. Important to have the correct materials ready to do the job -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/070.jpg)

The materials are Quick Detailer, Clay, Clay Lube, Polishes, Pads and clean Microfibre cloths.

I clay the paint first to remove surface contaminants. To do this, break off a piece of clay, knead it in your hands to make it pliable, form a small disc, then spray a bit of clay lube on the surface and gently wipe the clay across the paint surface using a straight motion. Do not use circular motions. The paint is only about 7 months old on this car and it is kept under a car cover, so there were not many contaminants in the paint.
Next i wiped the panel clean after spraying some Quick detailer on the clayed area.

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/073.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/077.jpg)

We use Menzerna Polishes PF 2500, SF 4000 and SF 4500. The numbers of each polish denote the cutting ability of each polish. eg 2500 will polish out 2500 grit scratches, 4000 will polish out 4000 grit fine scratches and 4500 will polish out 4500 grit scratches, although 4500 is more a refining polish.

First stage of this polish will be PF 2500 with an Orange Lake Country CCS Pad. This is a reasonably aggressive combination which will leave a nice slick base for the finer polishes to follow.
This Mach1 only had a light polish before the Newcastle Nationals, so time to make it gleam.

If you look closely at the following pics - you can see a slight cloudiness in the paint -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/067.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/066.jpg)

After carefully fitting the Pad to ensure it is centred, i give the Pad just one fast spray of Quick Detailer to help lubricate the pad, then apply 4 pea sized dobs of polish to the Pad -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/083.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/084.jpg)

I then dab the Pad onto the panel to be polished. This should be a size of approximately 400mm x 400mm -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/085.jpg)

I then turn on the polisher to speed no.1 and spread the polish evenly over the area -

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/086.jpg)

That only takes about 10 seconds, then i turn the polisher up to speed no.4 and work the polish into the paint. Slow steady movements are used, always keeping the polisher moving slowly across the surface. It will take about 4 minutes to move across the surface about 6 times. Overlap each pass by about 50%. After 4 minutes or so the polish will begin to go clear, then you are done and can then wipe off the excess polish with a clean Microfibre cloth. The only exception to the 4 minutes is if the polish begins to dust up. It hasthen gone dry and will no longer cut. So stop if you see this happen.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/087.jpg)

Continued next post.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
I continued with the rest of the front guard, followed by the rear quarter panel. Here are some pics after the first stage -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/096.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/098.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/099.jpg)

The cloudiness is now gone and any swirl marks have disappeared. Next stage will be a lesser cut with a smoother pad to start increasing the gloss. Will tape the car up in the morning and go around the whole car.

Now some observations about the new polisher -

In order to control it correctly, you should hold the body of the polisher with your right hand, with your left hand holding the handle. Steer the machine with your left hand. ie by the handle. It will take a bit of time to get used to this, but after a while you will have excellent control.

I have polished many cars using the Flex forced rotation orbital polisher which is a superb machine. In comparison to this polisher, the Flex goes at a snails pace.
The new polisher IS a dual action machine, but it felt more like a rotary to me. It seems to spin like a rotary and therefore i think you should treat it as one. Initially i went to speed no.6, but quickly realised that was too fast. It was easier to control and seemed to do a better polishing job on speed no.4 For first time users i would even suggest polishing on speed no.3 until you are adept at handling it. This may take an extra minute or so to break the polish down, but a lot safer to start with.

Be very careful around edges. Because of the polishers action, if you buff over an edge you WILL burn the paint. Always buff up to or across to an edge

I did find the speed control a bit awkward compared to the Flex. The control is on the back of the polisher and i found myself lifting the polisher off of the paint in order to adjust the speed so that i could see what speed it was set to.

You will buff a car fairly quickly compared to the Flex, but your level of concentration will need to be high at all times.

Must say i am quite impressed with this polisher - much more than i expected. It is a good purchase.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 15, 2012, 09:17:48 PM
So having said all that Rocket, would you recommend it to a first time user with no experience with machine polishers.

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 15, 2012, 09:43:06 PM
Hi Herman, Yes i would recommend it for a first time user, but with the suggestion that you use the slower speeds to start with.

For the price i think it is an excellent polisher, but if price is not an issue then i would suggest the Flex which is certainly a smoother, better engineered machine polisher. Problem is most people cannot justify spending $650 for a polisher, then more for pads, polish etc.
Had a conversation with Antonio from Waxit today about these cheaper machines. He tells me that the Concours polisher they sell is made to quite high standards in China, whereas the polishers that we bought are a copy from one of the smaller manufacturers.

So there are 3 options straight away.

1) Flex - superb machine for $650 in Australia
2) Concours polisher complete kit for just under $300
3) Chinese copy for about $140

All 3 will do the job. Buyers choice. :grin:

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 15, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
Thanks Rocket for providing the various options and recommendations through out this thread.  :thumb:

I have been reading each post that everyone has placed in attempt to decide the right way to go.  :evilone:

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 15, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
More news on the horizon also :thumb:, just need to sort out some particulars tomorrow

watch this space later tonight for Waxit details and tomorrow night  :evilone:

 :toetapping: I know some have probably been waiting to see how to take advantage of the discount, however there have been a few issues which are being worked through and I am told we should have some direction in tomorrow on it. I am happy to talk to anyone that can not wait and my contact justinf999@gmail.com

sorry, but stayed tuned
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 16, 2012, 07:27:31 AM
Thanks Rocket for providing the various options and recommendations through out this thread.  :thumb:

I have been reading each post that everyone has placed in attempt to decide the right way to go.  :evilone:

Herman
Herm,

Your car has a great finish already IIRC. Why not go down the same route that Rocket recommended for me? CG Jetseal 109 followed by a good wax. No machines required.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on November 16, 2012, 09:15:23 AM
I assume that it takes a while to polish the side of the car(maybe 1-2 hours from start to finish). Wouldn't  it be easier to jack or raise each side of the car so that it is easier on your back.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 16, 2012, 01:11:09 PM
Herm,

Your car has a great finish already IIRC. Why not go down the same route that Rocket recommended for me? CG Jetseal 109 followed by a good wax. No machines required.

Evan.

Hi guys, well i guess there needs to be a distinction between the need to polish versus a coat of wax or sealant.
When determining whether a polish is necessary i would put the car in full sun and have a look around it from many angles. Is the paint dull or faded? Are there swirl marks, holograms or scuffs in the paint? If the answer is yes to any of those questions - then a polish is required before wax or sealant.

65 Muzzy, Yes, it would certainly be easier with the car up in the air, although i don`t bother about it. You could always go to a place like spercheap and get yourself one of these little seats on wheels. I find it very good when buffing the side of a car. There are a couple of areas where i still need to put my butt on the concrete such as very bottoms of guards and quarters. Thankfully they are only small areas so do not take long. I keep a bit of clean cardboard on hand for those areas - a bit softer on the butt

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/089.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on November 16, 2012, 07:00:18 PM
Quote
Herm,

Your car has a great finish already IIRC. Why not go down the same route that Rocket recommended for me? CG Jetseal 109 followed by a good wax. No machines required.

Evan.

EV

Thanks for the compliments  :thumb: , while the Green Machine's overall finish is pretty good.  I am always looking for ways to improve the car's overall appearance and to make it easier for me but only that I am also wanting to know to did it for my daily drives as well.

Herman

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 17, 2012, 09:44:46 AM
Hi guys, Did not manage to do any polishing yesterday. Instead i packed up the individual kits and sent them on their way to scedd1, Fast69back and MachAttack.

69Candy called in to pick up his kit on Thursday afternoon during a trip to Adelaide from the South East. Had a good conversation and look forward to meeting up again.

Dale, your kit is waiting for you at work. Call in anytime through the week and i will give you a demo and some tips.

Hope you guys have got your Polish, Quick Detailer and some Microfibre cloths ready. Before and after pics of your efforts would be good to see. :thumb:

As i wrote previously, the recommendation would be to get some larger 6.5" Pads, but the Pads supplied will do the job for now. Just don`t get close to mirrors or bonnet scoops with the smaller pads. If you hit those with the backing plate it will mark them -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/035-2.jpg)

Through the week i will do some polishing with the supplied Pads and show which are the Coarsest, down to the Finest.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 17, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
Ultimatley Rod I would love to be able to catch up with you, with my car for you to look at and recommend the best course of action to remedy a couple of small spots I have issues with. Having my own small business it is real hard for me to be able to bring the car over during the week, saturdays I am work till 12.00. Maybe over the xmas break we can catch up! I will be closing the shop and having a couple of weeks off.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 17, 2012, 10:11:25 AM
Yep... Working for a living is a real b@tch! :lol: Thankfully, only 5 weeks to go till holiday time :thumb: :cheers: :cheers: Can`t wait.

We will be headed down to Millicent the day after Christmas, so unless you fancy a long drive i had better come over and see you one day soon. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shelbyright on November 17, 2012, 05:22:44 PM
Hi shelbyright Glad you are enjoying the Thread.

Using these RO Polishers is very safe. They do not generate a lot of heat like rotary polishes. If you do it yourself it will be a lot cheaper. It takes about 15 hours to do a whole car in 3 stages.
However, if you really want someone to do it for you it needs to be a specialist polisher. Not a lot of detailers know how to do this type of polishing. Where are you located? If in Adelaide i may be able to assist, but would need the car for a week. We get very busy running our main business, so when polishing a car i just grab a couple of hours a day in between customers.
Here is a list of Detailers in each state who are familiar with  this work -
 http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/forumdisplay.php?3-Pro-Detailers-Directory)

Rocket.
Thanks Rocket! unfortunateley im in Melbourne. but thank you for the link, ill follow them up.

Regards,

George
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on November 18, 2012, 12:35:00 PM
Rocket, what procedure would you recommend for a 1-2 year old paint in very good condition. Eg, clay - jetseal then wax. Or would you also do a finish polish as well.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 18, 2012, 01:01:28 PM
Rocket, what procedure would you recommend for a 1-2 year old paint in very good condition. Eg, clay - jetseal then wax. Or would you also do a finish polish as well.

Hi 65muzzy, After washing anbd drying the car, rub your flat hand over the paint. Does it feel rough or coarse? if so, Claying is the first step. Next put the car out in full sun, walk around the car looking at it from all angles. Do you see any fine scratches, swirl marks or holograms? If so, polish before applying a sealant or wax. If it is all good, for the best results i would do the same as Evan.
Apply a sealant first - possibly jetseal109 . I would apply the sealant and then leave it in full shade for 4 hours before buffing off with a clean microfibre cloth. Then i would allow 24 hours for the sealant to cure before the next coat. I suggest 3 coats in total allowing 24 hours between each coat.  Then you could finish off with a couple of coats of wax. Your paintwork will be absolutely gleaming. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on November 18, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
Hi 65muzzy, After washing anbd drying the car, rub your flat hand over the paint. Does it feel rough or coarse? if so, Claying is the first step. Next put the car out in full sun, walk around the car looking at it from all angles. Do you see any fine scratches, swirl marks or holograms? If so, polish before applying a sealant or wax. If it is all good, for the best results i would do the same as Evan.
Apply a sealant first - possibly jetseal109 . I would apply the sealant and then leave it in full shade for 4 hours before buffing off with a clean microfibre cloth. Then i would allow 24 hours for the sealant to cure before the next coat. I suggest 3 coats in total allowing 24 hours between each coat.  Then you could finish off with a couple of coats of wax. Your paintwork will be absolutely gleaming. :thumb:

Rocket.

Your a legend. Thanks
Title: Re: Taming Big Bertha - The Flex Rotary
Post by: rocket on November 19, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
65muzzy, What did you determine with the inspection of your paint?

This week i will complete the polishing job on the red mach1. Taped it up this morning using the same tape the professionals use - Painters BlueMasking Tape which is supposed to be a whole lot easier to remove after polishing. Also removed the rear spoiler in preparation for the new one to be fitted after polishing -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/026-4.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/027-3.jpg)

Completed the second stage down the side of the car using a white pad with Menzerna 4000 polish. Wanted to keep using the ZFE polisher to keep it all consistent.

Just as i finished the second stage a big parcel arrived. It contained among other things the new Flex PE 14-2-150 Rotary Polisher which i have been reading about on the detailing forums. This was the subject of a phone call with Antonio from Waxit.com.au late last week. I was originally going to buy another Festool Shinex Rotary, but during the discussion decided to give the new Flex a try. -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/021-9.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/028-4.jpg)

I wasted no time. Fitted a white pad and began another polishing stage down the side of the car. I can tell you Bertha is a b@tch! From the ease of using the ZFE polisher to fighting to keep the Flex Rotary working in the direction i wanted to polish was quite an initiation. Tonight i am extremely sore having battled for the next couple of hours. Quite a different technique is required when using a powerful rotary polisher. By the time i had finished 2 more stages down the side of the car i had Bertha pretty well under control. Results were excellent. The rotary does the job very quickly compared to a dual action machine - as long as you can control it. The Flex Rotary is a seriously good polisher, i am going to have a lot of fun with it.

Here are afew more pics of todays efforts -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/030-2.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/032-3.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/033-4.jpg)

More photos at this link -  http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/ (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/)

Tomorrow i will revert back to the ZFE polisher for a while and show the new ZFE polisher owners the correct pads to use from those supplied in their kits.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on November 19, 2012, 08:55:29 PM
Rocket,
This is all new to me. So taking in all the information at this stage. I will be trying all this out on my daily drive as I need the practice for the mustang(can't afford to slip up). I am in the process of writting down all the equipment required to do the job(clay bar, polisher,polish,sealer etc). I think I will go with either waxit or car care products at this stage.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 20, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
sorry for the delay in information. My order has arrived safe and sound :pepper:

Waxit would like to reward MOCA Forum members with a 12.5% discount as a way of supporting our forum.

The FD10 Code works for most products excluding;

Vikan Brushes
Swissvax
Sale Items
Machines
Kits
There may be a few others floating around also.

To get the discount you need to do the following:

1. Enter your user name in "additional comments" section of the checkout. No username, no discounts, no arguments.

2. Enter FD10 in the coupon box.

3.. Have at least 5 posts on MOCA Forum....so you need to contribute something to the forum to earn a deal. It will be checked.
The checkout is under 128bit SSL security from Norton Symatec. Waxit use an off Server Payment gateway by ANZ. This ANZ eGate is where all payments and card details are entered which do not see our servers, which accepts Mastercard, Visa. Paypal payment also use their own Paypal gateway and at no time are customerís payment details kept or stored on our serves. We believe ANZ and Paypal have much higher security than us.
Shipping on orders with a product value of under $150.00 is a flat rate of $12.50 orders over $150.00 will qualify for FREE shipping and usually via eParcel Post, sometimes for small orders we will use Express Post Bags. An email confirming despatch is sent out.

Orders placed are usually despatched same, however some orders received late in the afternoon are despatched the next available working day.
 

I want it very clearly stated that I have no affiliation with this company or Antonio. I have done this as a way to pass on the good will I have been shown by forum members be it past and present.  I asked a question and was very happy when Waxit came up with the discount.

It is my hope that the guys from Waxit will be able to come on to our forum and help owners with advice and pass on thier knowledge like some of our specialist trades people do now.

Contact them directly if any enquires please. What I have seen and heard, they are to happy to help.

Waxit Car Care
Antonio Massari
34 Trade Park Drive | Tullamarine | VIC | 3043
www.waxit.com.au (http://www.waxit.com.au)
antonio@waxit.com.au
03 9330 2177 | Mon-Fri 9am-5pm
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 21, 2012, 11:37:38 AM
Awesome! :thumb:

jusTANG, thanks for organising it.

Antonio, that is an excellent discount. Thankyou! :thumb: By the way, i agree with you about the Flex rotary - What a superb polisher!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 21, 2012, 07:13:17 PM
Cheers mate for organizing that. Called in last week to see Rocket and pick up my polisher. It was good to meet him, his wife and the boys, also got the full tour, and a quick polishing lesson on his 69. Love a good red 69!! . Look forward to catching up next time I'm in town for a few quite ones.
I will work out what I need and place an order with Waxit. Thankyou for the discount!!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 21, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
69candy, It was good to meet up. Loking forward to those cold ones :cheers: :cheers:

That red 69 is coming up a treat. Here are some pics after stage 3. Just one more stage to go, then on with the sealant -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/082.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/079-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/084-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/081.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/087-1.jpg)

Hope to see yours looking this good soon.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 21, 2012, 09:42:01 PM
that looks great Rod  :bow:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 21, 2012, 10:28:18 PM
Hi jusTang, Thanks, but the reality is that anybody can achieve results like this using a machine polisher, but some colours show the shine better than others. Light colours can have the same shine, but just do not show it as well. That is why i like polishing Red and Black cars.

The requirements are a good polishing machine, some polishes such as Menzerna, Clay and Clay Lube, Quick Detailer and Microfibre Cloths. Oh... and also bucket loads of patience and commitment to the job. It has taken about 12 hours so far to get the red mach1 to this stage and probably another 4 or 5 hours till it is finished.
The polishing job is being done in 4 stages. Three are finished with one stage remaining. After that it will receive three coats of sealant allowing 24 hours between coats.

For those new to machine polishing, it would be better to split the job into maybe 2-3 hours per day over a week because it is quite demanding on the shoulder and back muscles. No problem with doing the job in sections either. It could be roof first, then bonnet and boot, followed by the sides of the car over the course of a month. Just put the sealant on aeach area as you get finished

The Polishing machines i am using are the Flex Rotary for the first three stages and then the Flex forced rotation orbital for the final stage. After the best part of three days swinging off the rotary as i learn to master the different technique required, i am very sore, but the next stage with the orbital will be much easier. Gives meaning to" no pain - no gain"!

The good news for those using the ZFE or Concours machine or the Flex orbital is that they are easier to use. I even reverted back to the ZFE machine a couple of times over the last few days when the rotary became a bit cumbersome for me to handle. 

So get to it guys. Lets see what you can do.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Xrayman on November 22, 2012, 09:02:48 AM
Rocket,
I have been lurking on this post for a while and just want to add my thanks for all your efforts. The time spent polishing must have been considerable and then even more time updating with comphrehensive posts - very generous of you, you're a boon to this website and the mustang hobby!

If it is not already (work computers don't always show everything on this site) I'll add to the calls for making this a permanent sticky topic.

once again, thanks Rocket!

Aaron.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 22, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
Hi Xrayman, Appreciate your kind words. Thanks. :hi:

Fact is i used to enjoy painting cars as a hobby, but the lungs can`t take the thinners/paint fumes anymore. I believe we all need to make a contribution and found a pleasurable way to do just that. It is not work to me. I get a kick out of making those ponies shine. :thumb:

If through this Thread we can show others how to present their cars with the best possible shine, that is a good thing.

Besides - us old farts need an interest. :grin:

Rocket.

 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 22, 2012, 03:04:34 PM
Besides - us old farts need an interest. :grin:

Hey hey hey hey.... we are all very interested but not all old  :grin: Instead of an old fart, I'm probably more of a smelly fart.... according to my wife  :lol:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 22, 2012, 05:48:35 PM
Hi Rod, I thought I had better move my answer back to this thread instead of your "Time for an update" thread.
My 69 Fastback is Gulfstream Aqua and my 67 Coupe is Clearwater Aqua.

Vic
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 22, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Hey hey hey hey.... we are all very interested but not all old  :grin: Instead of an old fart, I'm probably more of a smelly fart.... according to my wife  :lol:

Oh.....OK young Pongo :grin: :grin: :bolt:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 22, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
Hi Rod, I thought I had better move my answer back to this thread instead of your "Time for an update" thread.
My 69 Fastback is Gulfstream Aqua and my 67 Coupe is Clearwater Aqua.

Vic

Hi Vic, Gulfstream Aqua is a gorgeous colour. Just so happens that my 68 Gulfstream Aqua coupe is at work at the moment. Noticed there is some marring and a few swirl marks on it now due to washing with quick detailer then wiping it off with microfibre, waxing etc over the last 3 years since it was painted. Gives me an idea.

I will be finished with the red mach1 in a couple of days. I will then polish the rear quarter panel on the 68 coupe using the ZFE Polisher and the Pads that came with the kit. That will give you an idea of how your 69 Fastback will look, and also tell us which pads to use with the Menzerna Polish.

This is the car -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Mustangsnmore/P3240200.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 22, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
That would be great, Thanks Rod

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 22, 2012, 09:48:12 PM
Hey Rod, You must either be a glutton for punishment or you have a polishing fetish, or should that be a Menzerna shine fetish.
I was just looking at your 68 and thinking how nice it looked and then thought about your Grande and remembered you haven't finished polishing it yet and you want to start another one.
Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 22, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
 :grin: :grin:

No.... No...No! The Grande is going into the workshop in the next couple of weeks to have a new engine and rack and pinion steering fitted, so no point polishing till that is finished.

Yesterday the 68 coupe was parked outside my office door and i saw the marring on the rear quarter panel. Cannot have paintwork in that condition ... have to polish it asap :kickass:
In reality i want a bit of a break from polishing. Will probably just do one side of the 68 next week, then the missus and i hope to head down the south east for a few days break. :burnout: :cheers: :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 22, 2012, 11:12:09 PM
A big thanks to jusTANG  :thumb:
I just placed an order with Waxit Car Care for some Menzerna polish, entered the code, received my discount and because the order was over $150 Free Shipping as well. The whole process was easy as.

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on November 23, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
Great stuff jusTang, I'm sure we'll all benefit at some point.  :thumb:

Rocket, I'm drooling over the red '69  :drool:.

I'd love to give mine that treatment but it just sounds like too much hard work! Maybe in a couple of years if it starts to lose its lustre.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on November 23, 2012, 09:26:49 AM
I'm in awe of the info on this thread.
You guys have inspired me. I've always been a bit scared of using machines to polish my car but I can see that the results are worth the effort. (And I thought that I was OCD with polishing before)
Thanks Rocket and Justang - I've just looked through the Waxit site.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 23, 2012, 09:35:40 AM
Finally got home after a week in central QLD (1/2 of it sitting around waiting for the Emerald Ford dealer to replace a broken back axle and both wheel bearings in the Hilux again, because the @#$%@#* Toyota dealer said come back in 2 weeks, were too busy @#$%&@#*) end of rant, for now
Found a big box and had a look at a very nice polisher.
Many thanks Rocket.
I walked out to have a look at the Hilux and my daughter pulled in next to me in her 3 month old VE SV6 ute, in Phantom Black.
You could see the reflection of the Hilux as clear as day in the Commodore door.
When you look at the white hilux, there is almost no reflection at all.
Apart from the fact it only gets washed once a year, or when it rains, it has NEVER been polished in 5 years, or parked undercover since new.
So i will take some before and after shots and it will show how good a lazy amatuer can do.
It will have to wait until the new year though, as my daughter took the polisher home, so she can give it to me for a X-mas present!!
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 23, 2012, 03:18:17 PM
I'm in awe of the info on this thread.
You guys have inspired me. I've always been a bit scared of using machines to polish my car but I can see that the results are worth the effort. (And I thought that I was OCD with polishing before)
Thanks Rocket and Justang - I've just looked through the Waxit site.
Cheers,
Bob

Hi BLU302, Machine polishing will certainly add to the shine on your car. Glad you are inspired. Takes some time, but as you wrote - worth the effort.

Here are a few pics of the Red Mach1 after 4 polishing stages -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/014-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/016-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/018-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/020-1.jpg)

Time for Sealant.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 23, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
Finally got home after a week in central QLD (1/2 of it sitting around waiting for the Emerald Ford dealer to replace a broken back axle and both wheel bearings in the Hilux again, because the @#$%@#* Toyota dealer said come back in 2 weeks, were too busy @#$%&@#*) end of rant, for now
Found a big box and had a look at a very nice polisher.
Many thanks Rocket.
I walked out to have a look at the Hilux and my daughter pulled in next to me in her 3 month old VE SV6 ute, in Phantom Black.
You could see the reflection of the Hilux as clear as day in the Commodore door.
When you look at the white hilux, there is almost no reflection at all.
Apart from the fact it only gets washed once a year, or when it rains, it has NEVER been polished in 5 years, or parked undercover since new.
So i will take some before and after shots and it will show how good a lazy amatuer can do.
It will have to wait until the new year though, as my daughter took the polisher home, so she can give it to me for a X-mas present!!
Steve

Sounds like that Toyota Dealer was not helpful at all. Bugger! Good thing the Ford Dealer helped you.  :thumb:

Glad to know your polishing kit arrived. That is going to make an excellent Christmas present from your daughter. :grin: Is dear old dad going to polish the VE ute for her?

Good idea to start with the Hilux. Sounds like it needs some love. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 23, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
Is dear old dad going to polish the VE ute for her?

Rocket.

Do you really need to ask this question?
Thats the problem with girls, how do you say no?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on November 23, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Let me know when you are comming down. Will grab the wife, and come over for a drive.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 23, 2012, 10:32:36 PM
Do you really need to ask this question?
Thats the problem with girls, how do you say no?

Indeed! :smile:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 23, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Let me know when you are comming down. Will grab the wife, and come over for a drive.

Hi 69 candy, Will let you know. :thumb:

Debating whether to drive the Grande down. On the one hand i want to take the trailer, on the other hand would love love to take the Grande for a nice long cruise. Kicking myself now for not having a tow bar fitted yet.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH - Cleaning your Pads
Post by: rocket on November 23, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
Question was asked on another Thread - How does one clean their Foam Polishing Pads?

If you are single and have your own washing machine - just give them a cold wash with your favourite detergent - but do not use softener. However, if you are married then that will not happen. You will never hear the end of it if you use that precious bloody washing machine. :kickass:

There is a product called DP Polishing Pad Rejuvenator that i use. Here is my Pad Cleaning Kit -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/090.jpg)

I use one of those cheap rectangular plastic containers because i can fit more pads in there to soak. I just fill it with a bucket and a half of water, put one scoop of DP Pad Rejuvenator in there, stir it to make sure the powder is fully dissolved then throw the pads in weigh them down with some wood, and let them soak overnight -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/094.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/093.jpg)

Next morning i use the nail brush to clean the gunk off the face of the pads, then dunk them back in and wring them out a couple of times -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/095.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/096-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/097.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/098-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/099-1.jpg)

Then i lay them flat on clean concrete and give them a good blast with the hose, paying particular attention to the indentations on the pad where polish accumulates, wring them out and repeat the process, then put them somewhere to dry - normally on the parcel shelf of the car -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/101.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/102.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/103.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/105.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/107.jpg)

Easy. All done outdoors so it avoids arguments.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 24, 2012, 08:09:53 AM
sorry for the delay in information. My order has arrived safe and sound :pepper:

Waxit would like to reward MOCA Forum members with a 12.5% discount as a way of supporting our forum.

The FD10 Code works for most products excluding;

Vikan Brushes
Swissvax
Sale Items
Machines
Kits
There may be a few others floating around also.

To get the discount you need to do the following:

1. Enter your user name in "additional comments" section of the checkout. No username, no discounts, no arguments.

2. Enter FD10 in the coupon box.

3.. Have at least 5 posts on MOCA Forum....so you need to contribute something to the forum to earn a deal. It will be checked.
The checkout is under 128bit SSL security from Norton Symatec. Waxit use an off Server Payment gateway by ANZ. This ANZ eGate is where all payments and card details are entered which do not see our servers, which accepts Mastercard, Visa. Paypal payment also use their own Paypal gateway and at no time are customerís payment details kept or stored on our serves. We believe ANZ and Paypal have much higher security than us.
Shipping on orders with a product value of under $150.00 is a flat rate of $12.50 orders over $150.00 will qualify for FREE shipping and usually via eParcel Post, sometimes for small orders we will use Express Post Bags. An email confirming despatch is sent out.

Orders placed are usually despatched same, however some orders received late in the afternoon are despatched the next available working day.
 

I want it very clearly stated that I have no affiliation with this company or Antonio. I have done this as a way to pass on the good will I have been shown by forum members be it past and present.  I asked a question and was very happy when Waxit came up with the discount.

It is my hope that the guys from Waxit will be able to come on to our forum and help owners with advice and pass on thier knowledge like some of our specialist trades people do now.

Contact them directly if any enquires please. What I have seen and heard, they are to happy to help.

Waxit Car Care
Antonio Massari
34 Trade Park Drive | Tullamarine | VIC | 3043
www.waxit.com.au (http://www.waxit.com.au)
antonio@waxit.com.au
03 9330 2177 | Mon-Fri 9am-5pm

Just wanted to place this post from jusTang on this page for the benefit of those who may not have seen it yet.
12.5% discount off your detailing supplies from Waxit is very generous. Hope you guys make use of it.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on November 26, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Has anyone got any tips on polishing Alloy wheels - I've got Coy's Torque Thruster type and I'd like a bit more shine. I have seen them polished to almost a Chrome like finish.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 26, 2012, 01:49:14 PM
Hi Blu302, It is a specialist field. If you do a Google search for Alloy Wheel Polishing -You will find someone who can do it for you.

However, if you prefer to do it yourself, check out this youtube video from Autogeek

How to polish aluminum wheels to look like chrome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF21eHUAwlk#ws)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 26, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
any links Rod or tips for cleaning the inside dish of modern factory alloys that have been let go for too long?


AU Tickford XR6 16" Falcon factory rims for example, not mine but similar

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~fmarzoli/pictures/Picture%20011.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 26, 2012, 09:36:07 PM
Guy's good news

 :evilone: Chemical Guys have come on board with a discount for forum members to.
Just need to work through how it will work so stay tuned.   :smilies:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on November 26, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
I love this thread
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 26, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
any links Rod or tips for cleaning the inside dish of modern factory alloys that have been let go for too long?


AU Tickford XR6 16" Falcon factory rims for example, not mine but similar

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~fmarzoli/pictures/Picture%20011.jpg)

Hi jusTANG, I checked out the pommie Forum - Detailing World - because they would have the most beat up, dirty rims due to their weather. It seems a product called IronX is a great rim cleaner. Read about it in the following Thread -

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=284815 (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=284815)

In fact Detailing World have a whole section of the Forum dedicated to cleaning wheels -
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2 (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 26, 2012, 09:48:35 PM
Guy's good news

 :evilone: Chemical Guys have come on board with a discount for forum members to.
Just need to work through how it will work so stay tuned.   :smilies:

Well done again. :thumb: They have some great car detailing products.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 26, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
I love this thread

Hey Mark, Your cars are kept so pristine that i reckon you could write a book devoted to car detailing. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on November 27, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
any links Rod or tips for cleaning the inside dish of modern factory alloys that have been let go for too long?


AU Tickford XR6 16" Falcon factory rims for example, not mine but similar

I'd take them off to do it properly, and use the following process/products.

15 minute Low Water PWC Wheel Clean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9lxWMNdcw#ws)

Or you could try Meguiars wheel cleaner? unsure how good it is, but will be finding out as soon as I find where my bottle of the stuff is!! lol
Title: Re: CAR POLISH - Let There be Light
Post by: rocket on November 28, 2012, 03:01:16 AM
Good Video Nobby76 - Keep them coming :thumb:

I have finished a 4 stage Menzerna Polish on the 1969 Red Mach1. Yesterday i applied the first coat of Jetseal, allowed it to dry for about 2 hours, wiped the Jetseal off and then put the car out in bright sunlight to check the results.
I am about 90% happy with the job. The other 10%? On the black part of the bonnet there are still some minor swirls. Had a couple of people inspect the whole car and they could not see them. Hmmm... I can! Bugger! I had needed to be a bit more aggressive with the first stage.

When you do this type of car polishing - if you don`t get the first "Correction Stage " done properly, no amount of further finer polishing will hide the defects. Problem was the lighting- or lack of - in the factory area where i polish the cars. I should have gone to supercrap and bought a $25 Halogen Light set and set the Halogens to each panel as i was buffing. That would have shown the swirls were not completely eliminated. Without Halogens i could have just driven the car out in the sun to see the same thing.
Check out the following Link to see what i mean - It is a great read -
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/130897-foose-mustang-prepped-show-todd-cooperider-esoteric-auto-detail.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-brag/130897-foose-mustang-prepped-show-todd-cooperider-esoteric-auto-detail.html)

I am not overly bothered because the bonnet will be changed before the Perth Nationals anyway. Just part of the learning curve. Here are the photos of the Mach1 out in the sun -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/008.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/013-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/017-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/010-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/011.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 28, 2012, 08:00:17 AM
Thanks for that Nobby, have not had chance to watch yet because been stuck to checking forums from phone the last few days and its killing me  :nopity:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on November 28, 2012, 08:15:28 AM
 :evilone:

Chemical Guy's have offered forum members a 10% discount store wide

 http://www.chemguys.com.au/ (http://www.chemguys.com.au/)

 Email- sales@chemguys.com.au

All you need to do is use the word "Mustang" for the promo code and it will apply the discount.
PLEASE NOTE- ensure the exact spelling is used

some great products? on the site and they are all to happy to help and advise.  Hopefully they sign up and come on the forum a bit to, they have been on here and checked the thread out and love some of the work being done. 

Like before I have no affiliation with this business and please direct all enquires to them
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 29, 2012, 06:19:34 AM
Chemical Guys do have a lot of great :hi: products. We use quite a few ourselves. 10% across the range is an excellent discount. Thanks Rex :hi:

Tried out the ZFE 710 Polisher with the supplied Pads. I really like the Polisher. It has more than enough power with the 710watt motor. Does not bog down at all under pressure and it is very easy to hold and manouevre across the paint surface. However, i do not think much of the supplied Pads, but they will do the job.

At this point i had better let you know what happened when the Polishers arrived. I tested each Polisher before sending them. Five of the six were good, but one was dead on arrival. Ah...Crap! They came with a one year warranty - but i did not fancy sending the broken Polisher back to China. My son Damien is pretty handy when it comes to repairing power tools. He pulled the back off and found a wire had not been fed through the inner casing correctly, which meant the outer casing had just been forced over the top of the wire resulting in a cracked inner casing. He reconnected the wire, fed it through the casing correctly and reassembled it. We had to just tape the rear casing back on, but the Polisher now works like a charm.

I had already tried the Polisher with Lake Country CCS Pads and it did a very good job of polishing.

Yesterday i tested the Polisher with the supplied Pads. Chose the stiffest Wave Pad , which is an orange colour. The test car was my 68 Gulfstream Aqua coupe which was painted 3-4 years ago. I very rarely use water to wash this car. I use quick detailer and microfibre once a month to remove dust, then apply a wax. This has now resulted in some marring of the paint surface, particularly on the rear quarter panel. The first job was to eliminate the marring.

Here is the car -

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/026-2.jpg)

I fitted the Orange Pad to the Polisher, gave the Pad a spritz with quick detailer, then put 4 pea sized dobs on the Pad using Menzerna PF 2400 before dabbing the Pad on a section of the quarter panel. You would normally Polish an area of about 400mm x 400mm.

  (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/024-2.jpg)

Turned the Polisher to speed no.1 then spread the Polish evenly across the area to be buffed -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/030-3.jpg)

Worked the Polish for about 4 minutes on speed no.4 using slow steady movements overlapping about 50% each pass. As the polish began to go clear i backed off to speed No.3 for another minute before wiping off the excess Polish with a Microfibre cloth -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/032-2.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/034-3.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/040-1.jpg)

Followed this up with another stage using Menzerna SF4000 on a Green Wave Pad

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/035-3.jpg)

Quite satisfied with the end result. Marring is nowgone from the panel  and the gloss is restored.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/049-1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/041.jpg)

So why don`t i like the Pads? The Orange Pad is not stiff enough to give a good cutting action, and when i took it off the Polisher i pulled at the Pad and actually tore it a bit. Do yourselves a favour, buy some Pads from Waxit or Chemguys taking advantage of the discounts on offer. All you need is 2 stiff Pads, 2 Medium Polishing Pads and 2 Fine Pads.

The ZFE 710 is a very good Polisher, but will perform best with decent Pads attached.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 29, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
Hi Rod, So if we junk these pads and buy the Lake Country pads and a new backing plate, we were probably better off buying one of the MACHINE POLISHER KITS off WAXIT considering we would have had an AUSSIE warranty as well.

http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=462&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=462&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Not to mention all your time and effort as well.

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 29, 2012, 06:40:07 PM
Hi Vic, Those kits from waxit are comprehensive and very good value.

I have no problem with being a guinea pig to test out products. None of us knew whether the Polishers we bought from China were any good. Same goes for the Pad kit. As previously stated - I am very impressed with the ZFE Polisher itself. So the Pads are not much cop - No biggie - we are half way there. :smile:

You still have the option of using the supplied pads. The Flat Orange pads i have not tried yet, they may be ok. Might as well use the pad kit rather than throw them away.

I still have a couple of options for Pad supplies that i am looking into. Stay tuned. :cheers:

Vic, How long before you want to get cracking with your Polisher?

Rocket 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 29, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
Hi Rocket, I hope I didn't offend you with my last post. It certainly wasn't my intention, if so I am sorry.
We all took a chance and the polisher turned out to be a good one so far.(well maybe not yours)
However knowing what we know now, The WAXIT kits are good value and as I said a Aussie warranty.
Maybe the company you bought them from sells the polisher on it's own.
I will use these pads because paint work on both the cars is nowhere near show condition(more like daily driver) if you can list what colour pad does which stage.
Also during the test you used two wavy pads. What are the pink flat pads used for?
I am going to get stuck in during the Xmas break. If its not too hot up here. One of those Airconditioners youv'e got would be great. Do you think a 14" pedestal fan will work just as well.

Cheers Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 29, 2012, 07:27:08 PM
Sorry, I said pink flat Pads, should have said orange.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 29, 2012, 09:41:28 PM
Vic, Absolutely no offense taken mate. :thumb: In fact i was thinking along similar lines.

I would certainly try the flat Orange Pads first for the correction stage. All i did yesterday to determine which pad to use was to compress each pad to find the firmest/most coarse. The Orange Pads both felt coarse. I chose the wave pad to see what they are like.

From coarse to fine i rated them in order -

Orange - Coarsest
Green
Blue
Black.  Finest.
The Lambswool - anybodys guess :grin:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 29, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Thanks Rod.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on November 30, 2012, 09:17:12 AM
Hi Rocket,Vic,
I've ordered the Concours Machine and kit from Waxit. it hasn't arrived yet but when I get a chance to use it I'll give some feedback. I ordered the Menzerna kit with Lake Country pads and also the Clay kit and Citrus wash from Chemical Guys - see I have been absorbing all this info.
Really looking forward to having a go - may try it on the Wife's Cooper S first - although it has sensational paint already.
Just looking at the Menzerna polishes included I'm not sure if the first stage included might have too much cut - I think it's P1000 - my paintwork is in pretty good condition. Any comment Rocket?
Cheers,
Bob
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 30, 2012, 04:05:15 PM
Hi BLU302, I have seen your Mustang a few times and the paintwork looks great, it will look fantastic after the three stage Menzerna treatment.
I'll look forward to seeing your vehicle and your review on that kit.

Cheers Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on November 30, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
Thanks Vic - I thought that I recognised your car too. Hope mine turns out as well as yours.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on November 30, 2012, 05:47:48 PM
Gee Bob that gives me hope, I haven't done mine yet and my paint looks like crap compared to yours.
Are you sure your not mistaking mine for someone else?  Mines the 69 Sportsroof with the Procar seats you saw at Shell Nudgee on the All Ford Day.

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on November 30, 2012, 07:44:07 PM
Sorry Vic - now I know your car. Adam (my son) has now ordered Pro-car seats after seeing yours that day. He's just got his 347 Stroker back from his engine builder.
Have you used your machine polisher yet?
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on December 01, 2012, 12:04:40 AM
Bob, No I haven't had a chance, I am off for a couple of weeks over Xmas so I hope to get a chance then.
I love those seats, they are 100% on the standard seats especially after a couple of hours in them, and they look old school so they suit the car.
Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 02, 2012, 12:26:31 AM
Hi Rocket,Vic,
I've ordered the Concours Machine and kit from Waxit. it hasn't arrived yet but when I get a chance to use it I'll give some feedback. I ordered the Menzerna kit with Lake Country pads and also the Clay kit and Citrus wash from Chemical Guys - see I have been absorbing all this info.
Really looking forward to having a go - may try it on the Wife's Cooper S first - although it has sensational paint already.
Just looking at the Menzerna polishes included I'm not sure if the first stage included might have too much cut - I think it's P1000 - my paintwork is in pretty good condition. Any comment Rocket?
Cheers,
Bob

Hi Blu302, Just back from a lightening trip down the South East... Had no Internet ... Bugger!

Interested to see your thoughts on the concours Polisher. It has 880watts - so should have lots of grunt :thumb:

I would be a bit careful with the PF 1000 - That is a lot of cutting action. Which Polishes are included in the kit?

For a 3 stage polish my first stage would normally be 2400 or 2500, followed by 4000, then the 4500 refining polish to finish off.

Before you start with the polish - wash, then clay the car. Then put it out in the sun or under halogen lights and look from all angles to see any swirls, marring or holograms. The first stage of the polishing job is to eliminate the above. 2400 or 2500 - depending on which is supplied, on an Orange Pad should be the first stage.

Don`t forget some before and after pics if you can.

Rocket.   
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 02, 2012, 07:17:40 PM
Hi Rocket,
The kit contains 4x 6.5" pads - orange,white,grey and blue and the Menzerna products are PG1000 , PF2500 , UF5000 and SWProtect (sealant).
I'd appreciate your advice on whether I should wait and get another grade of Menzerna as well or whether a 2 stage treatment with the PF2500 and UF5000 would suffice. How many pads do I need - more than one of each? I won't start until I'm happy that I have everything I need to get the best result and after reading your posts I appreciate that the first stage is important.
Have you used the Menzerna sealant - I have ordered the Jetseal 109 as well.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 02, 2012, 08:39:07 PM
Blu302, First stage suggestion is Orange Pad with PF2500. Second stage White Pad with Final Finish SF4000, Third stage Grey Pad with the UF5000.
So yes... In my opinion you really should use SF4000 - it really adds to the Gloss.

Use the Blue Pad for applying and spreading Sealant.  I would use the Jetseal109 Sealant, but have seen good reports on the Menzerna SW Protect. I have a similar product called Sealing Wax - but have not used it much.

There is no need to do the job in one day, which means for the first stage you could do say the roof, bonnet and boot with the Pads mentioned, then wash them overnight and do the 2 sides the following day. Make sure to complete each stage on the whole car before going onto the next stage.

You can clean the Pads - to a degree - on the move after doing a couple of panels. Simply scrunch up a bit of Microfibre with a finger inside the middle of the cloth, turn on the polisher at a low speed and carefully put the cloth to the centre of the pad, and as the pad spins, just work towards the outside of the pad. Will do a search for a youtube video where i have seen it demonstrated.

Now to the question of Pads. I consider that paying over $20 for each Pad to be over the top. It seems the Autogaky option of buying in bulk may be a thing of the past due to the USA looking after the local distributor. On the other hand if you have somebody in the USA who could forward them onto you it may still be an option.

I have been searching the net and have come up with what MAY be another option. There is a Diamond faced Pad produced in China that can be bought at a reasonable price. Check this Link out - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html)
5 Pads for $37.99 is cheap! ZFE Stores ( where w bought the polishing kits ) have the same 5 Pads listed - but including a backing plate for $56.99.

I contacted the supplier via the above Link requesting a Quote for 6 sets of the $37.99 Pads including express freight such as DHL or UPS. Their reply was to ask for my email address to discuss it further. No effing way i would do that because all dealings through Aliexpress should be via the Aliexpress messaging system to avoid being scammed by unscrupuolous traders. I will now order just one set at $37.99 with free shipping via China Post. This way it is all done the correct way which means the supplier does not receive the funds until i receive the Pads. :thumb:

Yet another option for the same pads is to buy them locally at this Link -
http://www.polish-up.com.au/products/150mm-foam-pad-buffing-kit-velcro-backed.html (http://www.polish-up.com.au/products/150mm-foam-pad-buffing-kit-velcro-backed.html)
Still excellent value at 5 Pads for $47.52, but shipping to Adelaide was $27.55, and there was another amount - unspecified - of $11.00
I am a bit of a tightass, so will go with the cheaper option.

I really feel you should have 2 Pads of each colour as a minimum, because if the Velcro should fail or one Pad becomes too dirty to continue Polishing, you would avoid the delay.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 02, 2012, 09:04:23 PM
Cleaning your polishing Pads on the go -

Pad cleaning "On the Fly" w/ Flex 3401 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M24NiGvBRgQ#)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 02, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
Thanks Rocket,
Your advice is really appreciated.
Chemical Guys have Lake Country pads at $15.95 at the moment -I don't know if we get the 10per cent discount off that as well.
I won't start until I get everything together - still haven't got the Concours machine yet - but I will get lots of photos. Went on a cruise today so the car's pretty grubby - a good starting point.
Thanks again,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on December 02, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
Hi Bob, How long have you been waiting for your Polishing Kit? I ordered my Menzerna polish from Waxit and it arrived in 4 days

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 02, 2012, 10:47:38 PM

Chemical Guys have Lake Country pads at $15.95 at the moment -I don't know if we get the 10per cent discount off that as well.

Bob

yes Bob as long as you use the code you will get 10% off store wide  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 02, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Hi Bob, How long have you been waiting for your Polishing Kit? I ordered my Menzerna polish from Waxit and it arrived in 4 days

Vic.

both guys ship very fast if not the day order placed the next  :evilone: so not much wait time to get into it
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 03, 2012, 07:59:57 AM
I ordered last Tuesday but I'm in a semi-rural area and deliveries around here always seem to take an extra day or two.I'm pretty sure the Postie takes Fridays off some weeks
Too hot to work at the moment - we expect 41 degrees tomorrow.
Thanks Justang - that makes the pads quite reasonable.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 03, 2012, 06:02:34 PM
With those sort of temperatures a place in the shade with an esky full of coldies would do just nicely. :thumb: :cheers:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 03, 2012, 08:33:39 PM
Just got home - 2 boxes waiting - one from Waxit and one from Chemical Guys.
My wife thinks I'm nuts.
The Concours machine is a solid bit of kit - looks pretty robust.
I'll order the other Menzerna polish tonight and might even be ready to start next weekend if it cools down.
The alternative is to have a few beers and plan some more.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 03, 2012, 10:50:04 PM
good to hear folks getting to use discounts  :thumb:

and the stock actually turns up  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 04, 2012, 09:22:55 PM
Thanks Justang - the discounts certainly help .
Rocket - I've just been reading the User Manual that came with the Concours machine (something I usually don't do)  It says to Start the machine in contact with the work surface - is that what you recommend?
The Concours machine doesn't need lubrication for the life of the machine under normal operating conditions.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 05, 2012, 02:19:43 AM
Hi Bob, Yes... I do start the machine in contact with the paint surface using speed no.1 to spread the polish. If you start the machine without it being in contact with the paint you would sling polish everywhere.

Have a look at this Youtube Video -

How to use a DA and rotary buffer - properly! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYqiBLIU9c#ws)

There are a few things to consider. In the above Video, he talks of using pressure when buffing, but be careful - it does not take a lot of pressure to dent a body panel, particularly in the middle of a roof area or on the bonnet of a car. You will soon get the feel of how much pressure can be applied, but we are talking of only very moderate pressure, not enough to distort the panel. This really only applies to the first "Correctional " stage of the polishing, most of the time you use little to no pressure - let the machine, pad and polish do the work.

Polish an area of approximately 400mm x 400mm at a time. You might cut up a bit of light cardboard to use as a rough guide when you first start.

Here is my process - Fit the required pad to the polisher, give the pad just one spritz with quick detailer, put 4 pea sized dobs of polish on the pad, then dab it quickly on the area to be polished. Place the pad onto the paint surface ensuring the polisher is on speed no.1, start the polisher and then spread the polish evenly over the area - takes about 10 seconds to do this, then crank the polisher up to speed 3 or 4 only and work the polish for about 4 minutes. Keep a clock that has a seconds hand on it within sight and time yourself till you get used to the process.

After polishing for about 4 minutes as the polish breaks down you will see the polish take on a a milky clear appearance and begin to see your reflection start to appear. That is when to stop and wipe the panel clean with a microfibre cloth and admire your work. If you have worked the polish well enough, there will be very little polish to wipe off.
The exception to the above is if the polish begins to dust up due to polishing in high temperatures - say over 30 degrees - stop when you see this happen. The polish has gone dry and will no longer work.

Don`t be too pedantic about lifting the polisher off the surface if you need to - after spreading the polish, sometimes you will lift it off momentarily going around obstacles.

Polish the roof, bonnet, boot first before doing the sides of the car.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/083.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/084.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/085.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/086.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/087.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 05, 2012, 10:53:19 AM
Thanks Rocket - I've ordered the extra Menzerna and some more Lake Country pads ( $14.40 each from Chemical Guys) so should be all good to go this weekend.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 05, 2012, 12:24:24 PM
Thanks Rocket - I've ordered the extra Menzerna and some more Lake Country pads ( $14.40 each from Chemical Guys) so should be all good to go this weekend.
Cheers,
Bob

Ahhh....Good stuff. Looking forward to seeing your photos.

Lake Country Pads for $14.40 each is good value in this country. I am a cheapskate - so ordered the Diamond Faced Pads from China. Will let everybody know if they are any good in a couple of weeks.

I am just limbering up waiting for Jack`s 1970 Mach to appear in my polishing area. Will start a 2 stage polish on it today. Photos later.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH - Jack`s Mach
Post by: rocket on December 05, 2012, 08:46:38 PM
Jack`s 1970 Mach1 rolled out of the paint shop today - A complete car once again -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00436.jpg)

Jack drove it straight into the polishing area to receive a Menzerna Polish and Detail. One thing i noticed while it was outside were Holograms in the freshly Compounded paint. Luke had only gone over the car with a one stage compounding because he knew the car would receive the Menzerna Polish job -

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00434.jpg)

Jack drove the car inside and the first thing we did was get the Quick Detailer and Microfibre Cloths out to clean the excess compound off the paint before we could start polishing

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00438.jpg)

Loaded an Orange pad onto the Flex Rotary, spritzed the Pad with Quick Detailer, applied 4 pea sized dobs of Menzerna PF2400 on the Pad. Dabbed the polish onto the paint and started the polisher on speed no.1 to spread the polish, cranked her up and away we went polishing the roof. Started off ok but the bloody polisher had a mind of its own. Shyte! Thought i had this Rotary Polisher worked out.... Apparently not! By the time i had polished half the roof i had visions of very sore shoulders and back muscles for the next couple of days and decided eff it!
So out with the Flex Forced Rotation Orbital. What a difference! Instead of fighting each other, with this machine we were quickly into it moving as one as the Flex glided smoothly over the paintwork in the direction required.... This Flex is a superb polishing machine!  Justang... Get the Flex!!!!!!!!

Took about an hour to polish both sides of the roof and the tops of both rear quarters -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00447.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00457.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00459.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00443.jpg)

The boot was polished in quick time as well as the quarter panel extensions, then onto the bonnet and tops of the front guards.

By the time i got to the bonnet, determination took hold so i broke out the Rotary again. Gave it a good spritz to help lube the pad, had a few stern words with it and away we went. Tried a slightly different technique of putting a bit of bias toward the front of the rotary and it behaved a lot better this time. Had the bonnet polished so quickly that i had enough time to go over it again with the Flex Forced Rotation machine. -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00453.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00454.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/DSC00456.jpg)

In the morning we should have time to do both sides, then put the car out in the sun to make sure all the holograms are gone. At lunchtime the car is going for a wheel alignment. When it returns it will be onto stage 2 of the polish job.

More photos -
http://photobucket.com/jacksmach1s (http://photobucket.com/jacksmach1s)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 05, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
Goddam Rocket - if I get a result anything like that I'll be happy.
My paint is probably about 3-4 years old and in good nick but I'm hoping to take it to the next stage - really looking forward to having a go.
I remember an early post of yours where you thought there wouldn't be too many interested in this topic - have a look at the posts and views.
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 05, 2012, 11:19:06 PM
Bob, I am sure you are going to make that paint really pop! :thumb:

After 3-4 years the paint has probably lost a bit of gloss and may have some swirl marks or marring. Polishing paint of that age is always a pleasure when you see that Menzerna shine look even better than the day your painter handed the car back to you - especially on deeper coloured cars like yours.

It sure is good to see so much interest in polishing cars on this thread. Last year while driving along the freeway late one sunny afternoon i passed a lot of classic cars that were returning from a show somewhere - all different makes. What stood out to me were probably half of those cars had terrible swirl marks in the paint. The owners probably did not know how to eliminate the swirls. Reminded me of a good friend who owns a BA XR6. Nice car and well maintained, but boy did that car have some swirl marks in it. He saw me polishing a car and we spoke about the swirl marks. He then pointed at his car and said "i thought they were meant to be there". He was serious! He came around the next day and polished the car. Looks real good now.

Have fun this weekend. I see the QLD weather has moderated. Brisbane will be 28 - 29 degrees this weekend. :smile:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 06, 2012, 01:38:17 PM
Roger Doger :evilone: I hear you loud and clear......ordered , now wait  :toetapping:

I will practise on a couple of daily drives then tackle some mustangs. Being this close to Xmas.  Flex will make a great pressent from the kids
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on December 06, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
as always Rod Image Classic Cars have done a top class job on Jacks car, I am sure he will be one very happy man when he finally gets the car on the road
well done guys, superb job
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on December 06, 2012, 02:16:29 PM
Being this close to Xmas.  Flex will make a great pressent from the kids

At least i am not Robinson Crusoe.
My daughter confiscated mine so she could give it to me for christmas.
No mention of picking up the tab for it though!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 06, 2012, 02:45:49 PM
Roger Doger :evilone: I hear you loud and clear......ordered , now wait  :toetapping:

I will practise on a couple of daily drives then tackle some mustangs. Being this close to Xmas.  Flex will make a great pressent from the kids

Justang, that is great news. I believe the Flex will arrive in about 10 days.

Your kids are very kind to look after dear old dad with something this useful. :smile:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 06, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
as always Rod Image Classic Cars have done a top class job on Jacks car, I am sure he will be one very happy man when he finally gets the car on the road
well done guys, superb job
Sally

Hi Chris/Sally, Jack`s Mach is at the wheel aligners. Job done and ready to be picked up.

One more polishing stage to go, then a couple of minor adjustments before Jack drives it home.

You can expect to see Jack and Briar back in their Mach on Sunday at Lobethal. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 06, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
At least i am not Robinson Crusoe.
My daughter confiscated mine so she could give it to me for christmas.
No mention of picking up the tab for it though!

Ahh.... Kids - don`t ya love em! :smile:

So which car is first to be polished? Your daughter`s car or your own ?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on December 06, 2012, 03:18:40 PM
Thats easy - the  "Reflectionless" Hilux, then the wifes VE SS in Chlorophyl, then the daughters VE ute in Phantom Black.
After all that i will be ready to have a go at Frankenstang, with its 9 year old amateur Tiger Mica paintjob.
i will take lots of snaps along the way.
Should be done by Easter.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 06, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
BTW Rocket, Nice signature and Ranking  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on December 06, 2012, 07:47:27 PM
Here are 2 pictures of all the gear I ordered in 2009 while I was in the states living.

I went the Flex machine as the guys on autogeek were raving about it.  Obviously if I upgrade it will be to a Makita that I was recommended, but until this dies, I'll be happy with it.  The detailign bag was a waste, none of the products i bought fit in it, it's designed for small machines and bottles!!  The bucket has a grit guard in it, which is stuck there after I ran over the bucket and had to jack the car up to remove the bucket.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1000222.jpg)

This is all my potions, Xenit is a great citrus cleaner, Lexol is my leather cleaner, conditioner, etc, Plexus for my glass/plastics, XMT bottles were freebies they through in.  The wax is Optimum Car Wax, a carnuba spray on wax that I have used for a long time.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1000217.jpg)

All up this was about $8-900 worth, about what I would have paid for the Flex alone at the time if I bought it in Australia
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on December 06, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
A few days ago, I guy I work with asked if I would take him and his daughter to her year 10 formal today.  Knowing the car had been neglected since arriving in Oz, it was tempting to say no, but i said Yes and spent a few hours yesterday and today 'tidying' her up.  I originally only intended to fix the hood, but ended up doing a whole single pass with IP, and finishing with a pass of SP before laying down a coat of OCW

The paint is pretty poor and there are scratches that I can't get rid of, but she came out better than I expected and in todays sunshine, looked pretty good.

The 'Hood' scratched from sitting moving boxes on
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1060143.jpg)

After
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1060147.jpg)

Showing the colour quite well, and a great reflection in the hood
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1060156.jpg)

The orange peel on this is bad and has me tempted to try and wet sand her to see if I can improve it, the top of the side is like this the whole way down.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa252/Nobbystang/P1060169.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 06, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Nobby76, That is an excellent Detailing kit you have.

Very nice job you have done polishing the Coupe. It has come up a treat.

I bet you made the girl and the father very happy today driving them to the Formal. :thumb:

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 06, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
BTW Rocket, Nice signature and Ranking  :thumb:

Hi jusTANG, I figured the discounts would get lost among the posts, so thought this would be an easy way to find them, as well as show a bit of appreciation.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH - The Process on Jack`s Mach1
Post by: rocket on December 07, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Jack`s Mach1 is now tucked away in his garage. You may have seen the finished photos in the "Time for an Update "Thread.

Thought i should add a few photos here and explain the process. The car was wet rubbed and then given a one stage compounding buff by Luke before it was brought to my polishing area. That compound Luke uses creates a lot of dusting, and so my job was to clean it up and then buff it up.

First stage of my job was to use an Orange ( Firm ) cutting Lake Country CCS Pad with Menzerna PF2400 Polish. Started with the Rotary, but quickly changed to the Flex Forced Rotation Polisher as it is so easy to handle, although it does take longer than the Rotary. Polished the Roof, tops of the Quarter Panels and boot this way, before changing back to the Rotary for the first stage on the bonnet. Continued with the Rotary to do the first stage along the sides of the car.

For stage 2 i decided to use the Flex Forced Rotation Polisher with Menzerna PF2500 Polish on a firm White Lake Country CCS Pad. Not a lot of difference between PF2400 and PF2500. I used the PF2500 for the second stage mainly as an experiment to find out the difference between the 2 Polishes. Result - not much difference. :smile:

By the time i had finished the second stage the car was ready to go to the Wheel Aligners, so it gave me a chance to check out the paintwork in full sun. Noticed there were still just a few scratch marks in the roof and bonnet, but not the sides of the car. This made me decide to use the White Pad again for the third stage on the roof, bonnet and boot, but because the sides of the car looked so good, i used a green finishing Pad down both sides. Polish choice for the third stage was Menzerna PF4000. This proved an excellent combination. When we took the car out in the sun after Polishing, all marks were gone and the car has an excellent all over gloss.

I would like the paint to fully harden for a month or so before i or Jack give the car a fourth stage Polish with the refining Menzerna PF4500 Polish. Then the car can receive a Sealant or Wax, depending on Jack`s preference.

Some more photos -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/008-3.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/009-2.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/017.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/018-1.jpg)

The following 2 are my favourites. Taken in the sun showing absolute blemish free reflections -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/033.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Jacks%20Machs%202012/042-1.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 09, 2012, 01:14:00 AM
Blu302, First stage suggestion is Orange Pad with PF2500. Second stage White Pad with Final Finish SF4000, Third stage Grey Pad with the UF5000.
So yes... In my opinion you really should use SF4000 - it really adds to the Gloss.
Hi Rocket.
I just picked up the wife's car from the panel shop today (small front end bingle) & the fresh Flex/Menzerna polished paint is showing up the original weathered stuff! I'm seriously considering buying a machine now as I can see it will benefit both the wife's car & the Mustang (I'll practice on hers  :grin:)
Like Blu302, I'd like to go for the Concours 900 kit from Waxit with the addition of the Menzerna SF4000 as you've suggested. Is there anything else I should be buying? You've mentioned spraying detailer on the pad as you go. Which should I go for? Anything else I might need to get started?

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 09, 2012, 06:47:35 AM
Hi Evan,
Double check exactly which Menzerna polishes come with the kit you order - they seem to vary. The UF5000 is now SF4500. I've ended up with PG1000,IP2000,SF4000,SF4500 and SW Protect. I'm not using the PG1000 - way too coarse.
I washed the car with Citruswash then clayed my car with the Chemical Guys Medium Clay Bar and Luber lubricant then washed it again - already starting to look pretty good even before polishing.
Plan to start polishing today.
Love the Chemical Guys El Gordo microfibres towels too.
Cheers,
Bob - will post some photos when I get a chance
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 09, 2012, 06:55:01 AM
Hi Evan, Sounds like your wifes car will really benefit from a machine polish. I agree - It will make a good practice car.

In addition to the Menzerna SF4000, you will need a good Quick Detailer and plenty of fresh clean Microfibre Cloths. Also Clay and Clay Lube if the car needs Claying.

Use the Quick Detailer to spritz the Pad before Polishing. As you finish Polishing each panel, spray a bit of Quick Detailer on the Polished area and wipe off the excess Polish. The following Link shows the Quick Detailer that we use. I dilute it by about 40% as i fill up each spray bottle. Makes it very economical to use. -
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Pink_Quick_Detail_Spray_Made_By_CG_Yes_p/wac_102.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Pink_Quick_Detail_Spray_Made_By_CG_Yes_p/wac_102.htm)

Have fun. I will look forward to seeing your photos.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 09, 2012, 07:02:59 AM
Hey Bob, looks like we both posted at the same time. :smile:

I agree, it would be good if waxit could supply the IP2000 or SF2500, SF4000 and SF4500.

Can you see why i like the Citrus Wash and Gloss? Even the daily drivers that we have not yet polished look good after using it.

Must get some of those El Gordo Microfibre Cloths too. We buy the cheaper Orange Microfibres from Supacheap because they seem to be Magic - always doing the disappearing trick :grin:

Looking forward to those photos.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 09, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
I agree, it would be good if waxit could supply the IP2000 or SF2500, SF4000 and SF4500.
Rod, when you say SF2500 are you referring to PF2500? Waxit doesn't list SF2500.

So, if I end up with say PF2500, SF4000 & SF4500, I should have everything covered?

By the way Guys, the best microfibres I've used came from Bunnings. They had a 1kg assorted pack for $10 & they're brilliant! I was told that it was a promotional thing so once they're gone, that's it. You'll need to ask for help finding them as they're not in the microfibre cloth section.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 09, 2012, 10:54:19 AM
So, if I end up with say PF2500, SF4000 & SF4500, I should have everything covered?

Yes.

I am off to Bunnings :burnout:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 09, 2012, 10:59:58 AM
Hahaha, thanks mate!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on December 09, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
By the way Guys, the best microfibres I've used came from Bunnings. They had a 1kg assorted pack for $10 & they're brilliant!

For those of you with a Costco nearby, the Blue ones they carry are really good too, Yellow I found just left fibres everywhere, so use them for dirty jobs like wheels, etc
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 09, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
Just spent 3-4 hours on first stage of polishing with IP2000 Menzerna on an orange Lake Country pad.
99 per cent happy - just a couple of marks on driver's side mudguard. Thinking about using PG1000 on it next week-end. Hard work - I'm worn out.
The Concourse machine is good to use -I was most comfortable polishing at speed 4 -used 5 in some areas.
I found it difficult to work slowly at first but it was hot and the polish was drying out a bit so I was using detailer to keep the surface from drying out.
Took a bit of effort with the 6.5" pad on some of the more complex panels - could have used a smaller diameter pad.
In the end I'm happy with the results of a first time effort - sorry no photos - can't find the camera lead.
I'll have another look tomorrow.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 09, 2012, 10:42:40 PM
 :smile: Hey Bob, 99%happy on your first polishing attempt is an excellent result.

Not surprised you are worn out because you are using muscles that are not normally used like this. That polisher gets heavy after a while when you are Polishing down the sides of the car. 3-4 Hours is more than enough Polishing time until you get used to it. On the second stage using the SF4000 on a White Pad will be easier, then using the Black Pad on the final stage will be a breeze.

Speed 4 should be plenty. Ever notice how a Floor Polisher spins fairly slowly? Same rule applies. I am always trying to find the optimum speed on each car i Polish. They are all a bit different. The Menzerna Polish does not like the heat. Is it possible to do the job early in the day before it heats up too much?

Those marks you mention on the front guard. Are they swirls or scratches? If they are scratches, rub your fingernail across the area. Can you feel the indentation? If so, Polishing probably will not get rid of them. You may need to do a very light wet rubbing on them with 2000 grit wet or dry paper, then Polish them up. We had this happen to a car last week. Fresh paint job, the car went out for a bit of mechanical work and came back with a long scratch on the front guard. I tried to Polish it out - but could not. Luke came down and gave it a light wetrub. Only took him a couple of minutes. After Polishing the area again, the scratch was completely gone.

Sounds like you have done a great job. Hope you can find the camera lead. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 10, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
They look like scratches but don't seem to have an indent - I'll try IP1000 first then if no result try wet n dry. Had another look in the sun this morning - couple of swirls on roof but overall pretty good.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 10, 2012, 07:37:43 PM
Hey Guys,

I spoke with Antonio from Waxit today about the Concours 900/Menzerna kit. He didn't have all the grades of Menzerna I was after in 250ml so he put me onto the Scholl kit:
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=771&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=771&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

He assured me they are top notch & the 30+ is even finer than Menzerna's SF4500. They supply a softer red 'finessing' pad in this kit. I took his advice & bit the bullet.
I think I'm gonna be busy!

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 10, 2012, 11:02:56 PM
Hey Evan,
I'm really happy with the Concourse machine - really good to use but like Rocket says I think I'm using muscles I haven't used for a while. Give yourself lots of time for preparation - I found the clay bar really useful. The sides of the car are the hardest because you are supporting the weight of the machine.
Let us know what the Scholl products are like.
Cheers,
Bob


Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 11, 2012, 12:00:16 AM
Bob,

Good to hear that the machine is decent. I'm not looking forward to the hard work though! It'll be hard to find the time through the silly season but I'll try & get a chance to have a go.

I might attack one panel of the Mustang for starters to see if I can completely eliminate any fine swirls/scratches. Once I'm happy, I'll re-apply the Jetseal 109 with the machine & buff off with a microfibre cloth.

Will keep you posted.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 11, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
Hi Guys, Decided to do my own little comparison between the Festool Shinex and Flex Rotary Polishes. Reason is that i have had a bit of a hard time controlling the Flex Rotary. Using the Flex Forced Rotation DA Polisher has probably spoilt me because it is just so easy to control, but the Flex Rotary is a different machine altogether. It has not been easy to master the machine because it wants to skip around and go off in its own direction quite often. A different Technique is required to successfully use a Rotary. I know it is mostly inexperience and operator error on my part, but it is proving to be quite a learning curve.

Here are the 2 Polishers as i put them through their paces yesterday -

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC00521.jpg)

The first clue about which machine is the easier to handle was when our painter Luke was compounding Jack`s Mach1 last week. While he was Polishing the bootlid, he stopped the Festool Shinex to go and get another cloth. I seized the moment and switched the Festool over for the Flex Rotary. In Luke`s experienced hands he seemed to have the Flex totally under control. I watched him for a few minutes then left for about 10 minutes. Upon my return i immediately noticed he had switched back to the Festool. I asked him why he had changed back tothe Festool. He shrugged his shoulders and said he was just used to using the Festool. Hmmm.... That made me wonder.

The bonnet on our daily driver Territory had quite a few swirl marks and scratches on it and i had been wanting to polish it for a while. Washed and clayed the bonnet first and then scratched it up with a scourer pad to deliberately make it worse. Here are a couple of before photos -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC00511.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC00515.jpg)

Fitted a new Yellow Cutting Pad to the Flex Rotary, applied 4 dobs of PF2400 Polish to the Pad, primed it with Quick Detailer and set about polishing the passenger side of the bonnet. I was waiting for the Polisher to start taking off on me, but by putting a bit of bias to the front of the polisher it was not too bad - or maybe i am getting used to handling it. It was still a handful, but thankfully controllable. The Rotary polisher is a lot faster at breaking down polish due to the circular motion creating a lot of heat. Only took about 15 minutes to polish half the bonnet, even allowing for the fact i was using a fair bit of pressure to eliminate the scratches.
Changed over to the Festool Shinex to polish the other half of the bonnet. First thing i noticed was the Festool seemed to spread the polish more evenly even though both polishers start at the same speed of 400RPM. The Festool was definitely easier to handle. I did not feel like i was fighting this polisher as much. I quickly understood why Luke had changed back to the Festool Shinex. In my opinion it is a better balanced polisher.

Both polishers did an excellent job. Those swirls, scratches and scuff marks are gone. I will persevere and master the Flex Rotary. By using a combination of Rotary and DA Polisher i know that the time spent doing a 3 or 4 stage polish on a car will be cut down by about 30 - 40%.

I used the Flex Forced Rotation DA polisher to do a second stage on the bonnet, mainly to make sure there would be no holograms left from buffing. What a delight it was to use that polisher.

A couple of finished photos -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC00526.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC00528.jpg)

Today i was asked to polish the bonnet on another Territory. Guess which Rotary i used........... Yep, the Festool Shinex!

Rocket.
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
Photos at last
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-1.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-6.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-12.jpg)
First 2 are after clay bar then second 2 after first stage polish
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 03:49:36 PM
Couple more photos after first stage polish

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-2.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-5.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-9.jpg)

(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-10.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 12, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
 :thumb:

That car looks absolutely gorgeous.

Good to see that you used the masking tape - especially around the indicators on the bonnet.

Top Job.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Thanks Rocket,
I did tape all the seams and trim - certainly saved time on clean-up.
I'll take some photos of the marks on the mudguard - I'll try the Menzerna IP1000 first but I think I'll need the wet n dry .( It was 2000 grade right ?)
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 12, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
Stunning job Bob & that's only after the first stage???? Great colour by the way.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 05:34:59 PM
Thanks Evan - it's a 1968 only colour - Presidential Blue - and the car's original colour.
I think it will be hard work to get much better but there is still a bit of improvement to come. Told you the machine was good.
Cheers,Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Fast69back on December 12, 2012, 08:02:51 PM
Hey Bob, You would have to be happy with that. Looks awesome.

Vic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 09:27:12 PM
Thanks Vic . It did turn out better than I'd hoped. The next couple of stages plus  the Jetseal 109 should finish it off perfectly.
Without this thread and Rocket's encouragement I probably never would have attempted machine polishing but now I'm hooked. Now I've replaced just about all the car-care products that I thought were the best. The knowledge on this Forum is fantastic.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 12, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
Nice going rocket, you are a nutter, scourer on the bonnet   :thud:

Great job Bob  :coolpic:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: LEE H 69 on December 12, 2012, 09:48:49 PM
Hey Bob
I thought your car looked awesome before, so I can't wait to see it in the flesh now........BUT   I do think you need more practice, so maybe you could bring your gear to my place and see if you can polish out my scratch.....might take you long that 3-4 hours though...lol   
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 09:57:46 PM
Hi Lee,
Not much closer with your car yet ? I read your post - no decision so far.
I think I'll pass on trying to polish your scratches out - probably needs something a bit stronger than 2000 Wet 'n Dry.
Thanks Justang - love this forum. And I agree scourer on the bonnet is a bit extreme.
Still a bit of work to do on BLU yet but I'm pretty happy.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on December 12, 2012, 10:07:00 PM
Gee what a great thread ,but i still have not polished my mach 1 yet .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 12, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
Well done. Looks fantastic.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 12, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
Thanks Glenn, 65Muzzy,

Glenn - didn't you start this thread? Without you I wouldn't have even thought about using a Machine to polish. Thanks.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on December 12, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
Yep i started this thread ,i just wanted to know what polish to use .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 13, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Yep i started this thread ,i just wanted to know what polish to use .
You suffering from information overload. :lol:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on December 13, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
according to Samurai Warrior Rocket.......it's wax on wax off.......!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 13, 2012, 03:29:52 PM
according to Samurai Warrior Rocket.......it's wax on wax off.......!

Ahh so...... car vely Flexable.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/13107358544Fl8Qs.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on December 13, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
 :grin: :grin: :grin: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 14, 2012, 12:19:28 PM
Hey guys, I was looking at the couple of online detailing supplies places that are offering us a discount. My dad just brought a black 2010 FG XR6 and I thought I might throw together a few things as a present for him. I thought why not make the most of their offer. Except I'm a bit over whelmed with the amount of products and to which is worthwhile. As much as my dad looks after his cars, he is still old school and rarely tries anything new that comes along. I saw waxit do a few Christmas packs but are they worthwhile or should I just buy a few odd things and throw together?
The paint on his car is quite good. But black being black its going to take more work. What do you think would help him maybe keep it more maintenance free maybe or help protect it and etc?

 :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 14, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
Hi Ash, I believe you could put together an excellent kit consisting of the following -

Car Wash - Citrus Wash and Gloss - ChemGuys - $10.95
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Premium_Car_Wash_Shampoo_p/cws_301_16.htm)

Chenille Wash Mitt - ChemGuys - $8.95
http://www.chemguys.com.au/CAR_WASH_MITT_MICROFIBER_p/mic_493.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/CAR_WASH_MITT_MICROFIBER_p/mic_493.htm)

El Gordo Microfibre Cloths - ChemGuys - 6Pack $17.95
http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_333_6.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/Microfiber_towel_p/mic_333_6.htm)

DP MaxWax - Waxit - $39.95
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=380&category_id=10&manufacturer_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=380&category_id=10&manufacturer_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Aerospace303 Protectant - Waxit - $24.95  ( Great for Dash, Console, Plastics, Tyres)
http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=8&category_id=43&manufacturer_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=8&category_id=43&manufacturer_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Autoglym Fast Glass, Excellent Window Cleaner and can also be used to clean accidently applied Polish off body panels, tyres etc. Normally available from Autobarn for about $12-$15

That lot would work out to around $110 once you allow for Forum Members Discount, then add Shipping.

It is easy to get carried away and buy lots of different Detailing products. I have done it myself. The products listed above are the end result of trying lots of different products, then selecting those which i personally have found to work well for me. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 14, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Hi Ash/Rocket,
Of those products I have tried the Citrus Wash and Gloss (excellent product and very economical - 1 capful to a bucket) , Chenille Wash Mitt (again excellent and good value)
and the El Gordo Microfibre Cloths are the best I've ever used .
Chemical Guys sent me a free bottle of Citrus Wash and the cap broke but a Microfibre towel they wrapped it in absorbed the spillage. I threw it in the washing machine with some other towels and the Laundry flooded with foam - that stuff is sooo concentrated.
Ash - you couldn't go wrong with products that Rocket recommends.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 14, 2012, 09:37:17 PM
Wow Rocket, you went to a lot of trouble there. I really appreciate that. That's the very kind of info I was after. The same to you too, Bob. I thought instead of taking a stab at a buying some, I'd ask here. Looks like that was the best move I could have made.

Thanks guys, saves a whole lot of guess work and I trust your opinions. Appreciate it!  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 14, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
Just put an order in guys. Again, appreciate the advice  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 14, 2012, 11:59:41 PM
Good one Ash, They are all great products.

The FG Falcons are superb cars. Had a G6 for a few months this year and found it very smooth, quiet and comfortable. Cannot understand why they are not selling in much bigger volume.

The XR6 has a better interior than the G6. I think your dad is going to like it. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 15, 2012, 12:21:12 AM
You're not wrong, Dad loves it! He had the BF XR6 before this and as nice of a car it was, the FG makes the BF feel prehistoric. I've never known Dad to own a car longer then 3 years and he had the BF for 5, that's how much he liked it. I can see this thing hanging around for just as long.

It really is surprising when I took it for a good run, how much more responsive the FG is compared to the BF. He got a 6 speed manual too and and after the drive home from Wollongong back to Newcastle and driving to work for a week, he was still on the first tank of petrol and was averaging 8.1 litres/100. That's insane I thought for a Falcon! The hour or so that I had it, it may have increased its consumption a bit though  :burnout:

I was actually just looking at some G6's. Our Territory needed a tow home today. Will try and fix it tomorrow but as inviting a newer model G6/XR/Territory might be, they all look so much better, they are still priced to high for my budget. The Territory I think will have to take a few more years of abuse....once it goes again that is. :ouch:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on December 15, 2012, 01:16:31 AM
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-12.jpg)
Car looks great BLU302 and that paint is sparkling !
Love the colour.

Unfortunately, this subject bores the shyte out of most people.
How wrong u were.
This threads gonna be a monster !  :lol:

Haven't lashed out on a kit for myself yet but I'm enjoying watching the experiences of others and taking notes.

 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 15, 2012, 07:34:38 AM
Thanks Chopmgw,
Just preparing to start the second stage. Feeling a bit more confident after the first go.
When you look at the pads,polish and machine I got for $300 the Concours kit was fantastic value.
Hope your Dad's happy with the products,Ash
Cheers,Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 15, 2012, 07:54:36 AM
Thanks, Bob. As usual when at my parents place, I look forward to testing them out myself  :lol:

I considered getting one of the buffing kits with some pads and polishes. Dad has a deep green MGF as well that could benefit from some quality products. But considering he has a brand new one of these still unused in his shed cupboard, I didn't think he would go that far into it.

http://www.dewalt.com.au/powertools/productdetails/catno/DW849-XE/ (http://www.dewalt.com.au/powertools/productdetails/catno/DW849-XE/)

I look forward to testing that one out too!  :lol:

Have you washed your polishing pads, Bob, after your first stage? Were they easy to clean?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 15, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
Hey Ash,
Yes the pads cleaned up no problems.
I ordered some extra pads and Chemical Guys sent me a spray on XMT polishing pad cleaner for free as well.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 15, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Thanks Bob, that's good to know. Be interesting to see how the pad cleaner works too  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 15, 2012, 06:26:13 PM
Hi jusTANG

Left Colorado now in Kentucky.  Expected delivery date 21/12.  Kids might be able to give it to you for Christmas.

Jack


Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 16, 2012, 11:06:48 AM
Hey Ash,
Yes the pads cleaned up no problems.
I ordered some extra pads and Chemical Guys sent me a spray on XMT polishing pad cleaner for free as well.
Bob

good work Chem Guys  :thumb: Good to see they support more then the flat discount they offered us  :cheers:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 16, 2012, 11:07:23 AM
Hi jusTANG

Left Colorado now in Kentucky.  Expected delivery date 21/12.  Kids might be able to give it to you for Christmas.

Jack

thanks for the update Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 16, 2012, 08:07:21 PM
Hi Guys.

I received my Concours 900 kit this week from Waxit. As previously mentioned, I went for the Scholl Concepts polishes which came highly recommended from Antonio: http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=771&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=771&category_id=87&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

I started off using the white Lake Country pad with S3 Gold cutting compound. I used this in a few select areas to remove the deeper scratches. The coarse compound wasn't too aggressive when used with the white pad. Once the obvious scratches were gone, I fitted the black pad & polished the whole car with S17+. This took care of the very fine scratches/swirls/haze. Next step, red finessing pad with S30+.
Really happy with the rich red swirl/haze free finish. Previously, I relied on fillers to hide the milky haze. I probably should mention that I didn't spend anywhere near the time that Rocket would. I have a back injury that I'd rather not aggrevate.
Next step was to seal with Jetseal 109. This time, I used the machine to apply which was quick as & used a fraction of product compared to last time. Left overnight & buffed off with a microfibre. Much harder to remove this time which makes me wonder if it's because the paint had been freshly cut & free of waxes? All I can say is that the super thin coat of Jetseal worked a treat. Super smooth/slippery finish & deep shine. I drove it in heavy rain & once it dried off (while driving), there were no water marks! I've now applied a second coat as recommended & will wipe off tomorrow.
Next up, Autoglym HD WAX but wondering if anybody has any experience with the Scholl W6+ that came with my kit. Rocket, have you seen this stuff?

Evan.

This photo was taken before the Jetseal 109 was applied. Much shinier now!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8197/8276288297_b907c85ac1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8276288297/)
unsealed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8276288297/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 16, 2012, 08:44:40 PM
looks great evan, shine is really deep
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 17, 2012, 08:04:18 AM
Wow Cyclone Evan is a mild storm compared to you Evan - fast work.
The car looks great - can't wait to see it after the Jetseal.
I've just finished the Third stage and will do the Jetseal next.
The marks on my mudguard are scratches but I haven't been able to find any 2000 grit Wet n Dry sandpaper - finest grade I've found is 1200.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 17, 2012, 08:16:19 AM
Bob, I live in a small country town and get the shits when out of town when I do get a chance to look for what I need to only waste all my time looking for basic stuff like this. I've had it happen in the past where you look where you think you would find it, but you can't. These days I just check out ebay first. Usually I find what I need and can avoid a large waste of time.

I found a few options but this one looked pretty good for 20 sheets. You'll probably pay a couple of bucks per sheet somewhere anyway.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SandPaper-Waterproff-2000-Grit-Pack-of-20-Sheets-Abrasive-Paper-/251198485302?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item3a7c98b336 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SandPaper-Waterproff-2000-Grit-Pack-of-20-Sheets-Abrasive-Paper-/251198485302?pt=AU_Building_Materials&hash=item3a7c98b336)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 17, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Thanks Ash - I wouldn't have thought about e-Bay. Good find. And yes, I have spent a lot of time looking already.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 17, 2012, 06:14:12 PM
Evan, Your car looks fantastic - as usual - only better.

I have no idea why the Jetseal was harder to wipe off this time. Maybe with the Wax all gone and using the machine to apply the Jetseal it penetrated deeper into the surface of the paint. I have not seen any reports on the Scholl W6+, but there are some happy users of the Scholl Polishes around the Detailing Forums. Have some myself to try out. Might do so over the Xmas break.

Bob, Automotive Paint supply shops should have the finer grades of Wet or Dry. I would not be using anything coarser than 2000 grit or you could strike through the clear. Can agree with Ash - sometimes Ebay is easier, but then again - sometimes not. Bought a CCTV System last week which arrived today. Looks more like a toy set. :grin:

Photos are good fellows.

Ash, Did you get the Territory going? What was wrong with it? You have me worried now because my missus wants us to take the Territory down the South East over Xmas. I prefer the low flying Caprice but she hates the sports suspension :ouch:

My son Jeremy has the new Territory Turbo Diesel and he absolutely loves it.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 17, 2012, 06:35:44 PM

Ash, Did you get the Territory going? What was wrong with it? You have me worried now because my missus wants us to take the Territory down the South East over Xmas. I prefer the low flying Caprice but she hates the sports suspension :ouch:

My son Jeremy has the new Territory Turbo Diesel and he absolutely loves it.

Rocket.

Kind of. What was happening was the Smartshield light was coming on as I was driving, at any time, no consistancy at all. It was shutting the engine down and all gauges dropping to zero. Been a hard one to track down and no-one at Ford knows what it is. I found little info on what as going on and tried each of what I found. I tried a new battery, no go. Different alternator, no go. Different throttle body to swap out the TPS, no go. Different ignition key, no go. The guys at Ford put it on the computer, came up with nothing.

The only thing really left was a dodgy PCM or BEM. Pulled the PCM to check all the pins were ok, they were. Cleaned them up and put it back together, no go. I tried to wriggle all the wires around the engine bay but couldn't get it to do it in a stationary position. Bit hard to do that while driving so I moved onto the wires in the cabin. Pulled most of the trim off to expose the BEM, steering column and fuse panel. I started doing laps of my block just wriggling everything to see when and what was going on. It would keep doing it under acceleration, deceleration, turning and hitting bumps. So pretty much at any damn time!  :ouch: I clocked up 30k's just going round and round. Finally I moved the wiring that goes into the accelerator pedal to the right, it stopped, moved it left, it did it, moved it right it stopped. Went home pulled the plug to check the pics, they were fine. Put it back together, hasn't done it again. I clocked up another 15k's trying to get it to do it again, nothing. Fingers crossed!

Went to pick the kids up from school in it, got to the corner, brake pedal goes to the floor. Thought shit! Went a bit further, still nothing. Pulled over, brake fluid everywhere all over the rear right wheel. It's blown out somewhere in a big way! Parked it, got in my F-truck and left the censored Aing thing at home, had enough of it today!  :ouch:

It has been a fantastic car, and boy it has seen some use. Maybe it's just a bit long in the tooth now. Can;t afford to replace it though so I need to keep at it. Cars hey!  :shrug:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 17, 2012, 07:58:59 PM
Oh Boy, You have had a time of it. Sounds like it was a bad connection. Hopefully you have fixed it. That sure was some extreme troubleshooting, but well worth your time. :thumb:

Brings back nightmares from a few years back with an EL Falcon that was very temperamental. Had a mind of its own and started only when it felt like it - which was not often! Finally traced back to a faulty body control module. Fitted a new one, followed the programming procedure and problem solved.

Sounds like your Territory has now blown out a rear wheel cylinder. At least brakes are relatively easy to diagnose and fix. May you have many trouble free Klm in it after you fix the brakes.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 17, 2012, 08:25:14 PM
Yeah cheers, Rocket. I'll get it sorted, just more time needed unfortunately. Can't complain too much, like I said, it has been a great car. Cars will be cars. It's just that electrical gremlins can be frustrating, especially when no one at all has any ideas where to start.

Ah the good old BEM in EF/EL's. AU's were a little the same. A good tap with your left hand under the dash beside your knee often got them going.

I have a complete rear Territory diff here, cradle and the lot. Will swap over the callipers off it tomorrow after I pull the car down to see what it is. Am sure that's all it'll be like you said. I'll do both sides and also swap out the M/C and fresh fluid right through. Should keep her running for a while longer. They are a good car. If I were to sell it, I would be 99% certain another Territory would replace it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 17, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
I have no idea why the Jetseal was harder to wipe off this time. Maybe with the Wax all gone and using the machine to apply the Jetseal it penetrated deeper into the surface of the paint.
I wiped off the second coat this morning & it was too easy. I'm now convinced that it needs spotless paint to bond to. I wonder if the second coat is completely unnecessary?

Bob, good luck with the scratches. I can't believe you guys are having so much trouble finding wet & dry. Ring up any automotive paint supplier & ask them to pop a couple of sheets in a large envelope. Someone's bound to be willing to help.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 17, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
Some photos from the weekend.
Stages 2 and 3 now complete - a bit shinier but there is now more depth to the paint. I'm looking forward to using the Jetseal.
Rocket and Evan - is it best to leave the Jetseal a short time - 1 to 2 hours or overnight?
When you buff off the Jetseal just use a microfibre? Or detailer as well ?
I've ordered the 2000 grit sandpaper so I'll use the to correct the couple of marks before the Sealant.(also polish those spots again).
Nearly there.
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-14_zpsa6fe5e76.jpg)
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o758/BLU302/image-14_zps187217f5.jpg)
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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 18, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
Sounds like your Territory has now blown out a rear wheel cylinder. At least brakes are relatively easy to diagnose and fix. May you have many trouble free Klm in it after you fix the brakes.

Rocket.

Hi Rocket, ended up being a split brake line. Now I have to drive 200km's round trip to go get one made. Can't get one from Ford, out of Melbourne only. The fronts did the same thing apparently and were covered under a recall. The rears were not.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 18, 2012, 05:23:12 PM
Bob, Your car is looking sensational. Great Job! :thumb:

I think the heat will determine how long to leave Jetseal on your car. If it is over say 30 degrees i would only leave it on for an hour. 20 - 30 degrees maybe 2 hours. If it is cooler than 20 degrees maybe four hours maximum. It can be a real bugger to wipe off the excess if it dries out too much.
Use the Microfibre on its own for wiping off the Jetseal at first if it wipes off easily, but if any patches remain, just spray a bit of quick detailer on the area to help wipe it off. Remember you do not want to wipe the panels too hard with the Microfibre for risk of reintroducing marks in the paint.

In answer to Evan`s question regarding whether to apply 2 coats of Jetseal - I apply 3 coats. I worry that with one  it is possible to miss some areas, so at least 2 in my opinion to assure good coverage.

Ash, It may pay you to replace both rear brake lines at the same time. Better check mine out too.
Don`t know what i was thinking by suggesting you might have blown a rear wheel cylinder. :grin: I think probably since the EA came out Ford have used Disc Brake Rears.
200Klm round trip to get the new brake lines made up ... bugger! Maybe you could take the family and do some Xmas shopping.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 18, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
Hey Ash,
Sorry to hear you are having problems with your Territory. We drove one on the Great Ocean Road a couple of years ago and thought it was a great car.
Thanks again for your e-bay idea - the sandpaper is on its way - hope to clean up those marks this week-end then finish my polishing/sealing/waxing. We're the most westerly suburb of Brisbane but I feel like sometimes we are an isolated country town too(we don't even have buses)
Rocket -I'm finishing off the sealant ( 3 coats ) with a Chemical Guys special blend wax called 50/50 - have you heard of it ?
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 18, 2012, 09:58:47 PM
200Klm round trip to get the new brake lines made up ... bugger! Maybe you could take the family and do some Xmas shopping.

Rocket.

What was I saying before about driving around wasting time looking for stuff?  :ouch: :ouch:

I made several phone calls this morning to Ford and some brake supplies places. No Ford dealership in Newcastle or the Hunter had a replacement so gave up on them. Got onto a brake place, a larger one, that said "no probs, bring a sample and we can make you one when you arrive. It'll take about an hour". Sorted out to catch up with mate while I was down there and also a couple of other jobs while I was in Newcastle. 2 hours drive to get there due to shitty traffic, I rock up and show them the sample, straight up they tell me "oooh, don't know if we'll have one of them". I asked "don't you make them here?" They said, "oh no, we don't have the ability or licensing to do so". What the censored Aing censored A!  :ouch: They said they send them out and have them done. I kept a straight face as I really wanted some help but man I was pissed. They looked into what they had but didn't even have the same ends, not even close.

Left there and went to a nearby Ford wreckers. They had one but wouldn't sell it to me due to "safety reasons".
Went past a Pirtek, pulled in, they don't do brake lines. Clutch lines, no worries, but not brakes lines.
Left there to try and get some supplies for a job that my client wants done by Christmas, I found that out today, missed them by 3 minutes.  :cry:

All that done, didn't accomplish a thing. Went and got some Corona's and caught up with my mate. Forgot about all that crap and had a laugh instead.

Ebay can't help me on this one. So tomorrow I'll be on the phone to somewhere to post me one. Just means the missus and the kids will be without an air-conditioned car until possibly next week.  Awesome!!   :tissue:

The extra kicker, I had one of these a few weeks ago on a Territory wreck I had. I left them on the shell thinking why would I ever need them?  :ouch:

As for Chrissy shopping, I think the kids should be pretty stoked with their present this year. It was a little rough around the edges and had seen some use but I think I dressed it up pretty well. I have to say with all this polishing and detailing talk, I went a little over the top cleaning this considering it is a dirt bike and will get dirty first ride out. I had it stripped back to nothing and tidied it right up. I really enjoyed it. Also whilst being sneaky and hiding it from the kids. :lol:

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/IMAG2273_zps2b405291.jpg)

Just waiting now on my Chemguys order to turn up for Dad and am pretty much sorted for Chrissy presents. :thumb:

Hey Ash,
Sorry to hear you are having problems with your Territory. We drove one on the Great Ocean Road a couple of years ago and thought it was a great car.
Thanks again for your e-bay idea - the sandpaper is on its way - hope to clean up those marks this week-end then finish my polishing/sealing/waxing. We're the most westerly suburb of Brisbane but I feel like sometimes we are an isolated country town too(we don't even have buses)
Rocket -I'm finishing off the sealant ( 3 coats ) with a Chemical Guys special blend wax called 50/50 - have you heard of it ?
Cheers,
Bob

We don't have buses either, Bob. There are school buses but that is all. There are about 2000 people that live here. Not a great deal at all. But I have lived in much more isolated places when I was growing up.

Ebay pretty much supports us. The post lady is here most days and it also pays the bills. Like Rocket said, it has its down sides but most of the time it beats going to a large town and also at getting a bargain. Just need to watch it like a hawk.

Looking forward to seeing how you go with the scratches on your paint. Do you have any photos of them? It's amazing watching what people can accomplish at home with some expert info and guidance. It gives the rest of us a lot of confidence and knowledge when it comes to tackling it ourselves.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Nobby76 on December 19, 2012, 01:11:56 PM
It was a little rough around the edges and had seen some use but I think I dressed it up pretty well. I have to say with all this polishing and detailing talk, I went a little over the top cleaning this considering it is a dirt bike and will get dirty first ride out.

Nice work.

Reminds me of when I first got onto a detailing forum and there was a thread about all the random stuff they could detail, Xboxes, household items etc.  It got me so motivated I tried my Golf Driver, unsure if it helped generate any extra speed, but it sure did look good!! lol
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 19, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
Hahaha, that's hilarious!  :lol:

After my last effort at golf, no amount detailing the golf clubs would have helped me. The mass amount of Corona's weren't doing me much favour either. There was some awesome cart driving going on though!  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 20, 2012, 10:30:03 AM
My Chemguys order just turned up, this stuff looks great. Thanks again for the recommendation  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 20, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
What did you end up getting , Ash ?
I've been happy with everything I've got as far - great products.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 20, 2012, 11:40:47 AM
Bob, from Chemguys I got the citrus wash, the non-scratch mit and the 6pack of microfibre cloths. The material feels great, sure better then any of the cheap crap I've used in the past on my cars. I'll have to do an order for myself once we get through the Christmas/New Years period.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 20, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
Rocket
jusTANG
guess what turned up in the post

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 20, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
Hi Bob
My wife would kill me if I attempted to polish my car in the lounge  :grin:  :grin:  :bolt:

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 20, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Good stuff Jack, i find it quite FLexciting! :grin:

Interested to see the power plug. Is it a USA type fitting or Australian? I have some adaptors at home if it is a USA plug.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 20, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Hey Rod
Plug is continental .... Simple mod to change to Aus


Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 20, 2012, 07:09:13 PM
Rocket
jusTANG
guess what turned up in the post

Jack

 :pepper:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 20, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
Hey Rod
Plug is continental .... Simple mod to change to Aus


Jack

The friendly electrician JBB will help me I am sure  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: peter9231 on December 22, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
Hello,
Gave mine the treatment today.
Scholl polish and Lake county pads.
I am happy with the results. :pepper:
Great thread People keep up the good work.
Peter.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: MU6TNG on December 22, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
Looks great Peter, my Concourse 900 with lake county pads and scholl polish is under the Xmas tree so will need to wait a few more days to try it on my daily drive and then on my 66 coupe when it arrives mid Jan.

Ray
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on December 22, 2012, 07:18:04 PM
Hello,
Gave mine the treatment today.
Scholl polish and Lake county pads.
I am happy with the results. :pepper:
Great thread People keep up the good work.
Peter.
Well done Peter. Future Mustang shows will be blinding with the increased levels of shine!  :grin:
Out of curiosity, which combination of pad/polish did you use?

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on December 22, 2012, 10:30:02 PM
Wow Peter - you'd have to be happy with that. Looks fantastic.
Hey Evan - I was thinking the same today - the level of shine at Mustang get-togethers is going to increase  enormously.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 23, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
I had been asked prior to polish a few, dame wait until they see now with the flex when it arrives  :thud:

Jack the postman Saturday was pretty confident it would come Monday, there may be time  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: peter9231 on December 23, 2012, 07:57:05 PM
Well done Peter. Future Mustang shows will be blinding with the increased levels of shine!  :grin:
Out of curiosity, which combination of pad/polish did you use?

Evan.
Hello, started with S3 gold with orange pad on a couple of spots of heavy orange peel.
The rest of the car with S3 gold with a white pad.
Finished off with S30+ with a black pad.
Car was painted in the States about 5 years ago (typical US paint job 6/10)
It is the hardest 2 pac paint I have ever seen.
The Gent at waxit recommended this procedure and it worked a treat and was relatively easy.
Very helpful people at Waxit (highly recommended)
Sealed with Mothers canuba wax (great product in my opinion)
The picture tells the story.
Peter.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 26, 2012, 03:53:42 PM
Hi Peter, You have done an excellent Polishing job. That vert sure looks sweet. :thumb:

Both Evan and yourself have tried the Scholl polish now and the results speak for themselves. Impressive stuff.

Interested in hearing from others too about their Polishing deeds. It seems there were quite a few Polishing Kits underneath Christmas Trees.

Justang, Did your Flex arrive in time?

Ash, Did you manage to get those Brake Hoses sorted?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 26, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
Got all my goodies. Now just need to find the time.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 26, 2012, 06:57:52 PM
Hi Justang
Kept my fingers crossed for you.  Sooooooooo is it there yet.????
Tried to send email not sure if it went.

When I was about to cut the plug off mine I got this thought I'd better test it first.  It is ok   :pepper: Dont have to worry bout warranty.
Will try it out tomorrow.  Cant today .

Rocket     You enjoy Xmas.??  Hope to see you over NY in the cool.  Will call you in after a couple of days. Hope the phone is out of the car.

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 26, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Hi Jack, Glad to see your Flex is all good. :thumb:

Hmmm.... Christmas. Was all going very well until late yesterday arvo. Michelle has had a bit of a relapse and spent today in bed. Bugger! Consequently we are still at home. Oh well... at least it has given me time to build a disability ramp for mum. She has been waiting for me to build it for a couple of months. Job done.

So it is now a day by day proposition whether we manage to head down the South East or not. You might have the place to yourselves. EDIT- Michelle has recovered so we are headed down on Saturday morning. :thumb:

You just reminded me to get the phone out of the car. It is now inside and on charge. :grin:
Give me a call in a little while if you like.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 27, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Ash, Did you manage to get those Brake Hoses sorted?

Brakes sorted with new brake line, pads, fluid and swapped out the M/C with a newer one while the system was apart. They work well now  :thumb:

Unfortunately, the car doesn't. Had it die again on me 40k's out of town on the weekend and needed to tow it home again. Spent Monday trying to find the issue and ended up fixing one and finally getting a fault code on another. Got a replacement part sorted this morning, should be on its way now from Adelaide. See if that fixes it, maybe.... we'll see.

3 issues in a week, two tows and no car with A/C to take our kids in has been an issue. The public holidays haven't helped but we had 40 degree days and having no reliable A/C car is unacceptable. Did a bit of car shopping and today I picked up this. Only 112k, full service history, very well looked after for its age and the 4.6 V8 is very nice. By the time I clean up the Territory and sell it, I should be close to doing a clean swap, maybe a little cash out of pocket but that's all good. Plus my wife is really happy to be back in a V8  :burnout:

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/IMAG2470_zps250eb456.jpg)

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/IMAG2475_zps3dc43221.jpg)

Which now brings me to this. I brought this home to look at polishing the Territory up. Will need to hit up one of the online stores and get some pads and polishes. Unfortunately some time back the car got a wash with a dirty sponge, I think it will clean up well but it's going to take a little bit of elbow grease.

Any experience with one of these? It's all new to me but look forward to the learning curve.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/IMAG2476_zps536942cf.jpg)

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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 27, 2012, 08:32:29 PM
Hi Justang
Kept my fingers crossed for you.  Sooooooooo is it there yet.????

Jack

Hey Jack,
no not here yet  :cry:

spoke with the parcel man today and they had a big shipment of parcels as he left the depot so hopefully tomorrow

yes got email, sorry mate had a hectic time last few days
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 27, 2012, 10:04:00 PM
Hi Ash, Glad to see you bit the bullet. The Explorers are seriously good cars. :thumb: Plush inside with more than ample power. Jeremy had a white Explorer which he traded for the Diesel Territory.
You wrote once before that your Territory has given you lots of good service, but unreliability cannot be tolerated, especially when your wife and children are out and about  in the car.

I do not know anything about the DeWalt Polisher, but being a rotary a bit of practice is called for on an old panel before tackling the Territory. Just spread the Polish on the lowest speed, then crank it up to about 3,000 RPM to do the Polishing. Maybe read about the DeWalt at this Link -

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/circular-polishers-rotary-polishers-high-speed-polisher/ (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/circular-polishers-rotary-polishers-high-speed-polisher/)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 27, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Thanks, Rocket  :thumb: If I had the funds, I would have got a current Territory. We had a really good run with ours and it always ticked all the boxes for us. Maybe down the track we'll get into another. For now though we are officially an all American car household  :lol:

Thanks for the tip on the DeWalt. Old panels I have plenty of. Is there a preference in colour that would help the dive in the deep end? Would a lighter or darker colour be better to see what I am doing right or wrong? At the moment I have some dark green, maroon, white and also silver. I guess I could try a little bit on them all.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 27, 2012, 11:08:51 PM
You Yankee You! :grin:

The Dark Green will be the best to practice on. Darker colours really show the blemishes.

If you can`t get all of the swirl marks off with a one step polish, there is a wax called " butter wet wax" available from Chemical Guys for $19.95

 http://www.chemguys.com.au/BUTTER_WET_WAX_p/wac_104_16.htm (http://www.chemguys.com.au/BUTTER_WET_WAX_p/wac_104_16.htm)

The wax has some fillers in it which will help to hide any remaining swirl marks - Temporarily :grin: ( If you catch my drift ) Lasts about a month.

On the subject of waxes, I have had some Duragloss Aqua Wax in the garage for a couple of years. After i washed the Lightning Strike Territory a couple of days ago, decided to try it out. The idea is to spray it on as you dry each panel. Very, very easy way to wax a car. Could not believe how good the Territory looked afterwards. Big tick for this stuff.

 http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=319&category_id=19&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=319&category_id=19&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on December 27, 2012, 11:26:53 PM
Hey Rod
Plug is continental .... Simple mod to change to Aus


Jack

I just bought an adapter from Big W for mine, works well. May change the plug one day.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 28, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
Report how it lasts on the Terri rocket. May be an easy top up method
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on December 28, 2012, 04:59:13 PM
mwizz
For me an adaptor is just one more thing  to go wrong. Not a pessimist but a great believer in Professor Murphy

jusTANG
 Nothing???  Aus post is getting worrying.

Rocket
Tried on the blue hyundai. One side of bonnet.  P203S on orange using your 400mm 4 peas 4 minute method.  Cant see much difference between the sides, in shadow or sunlight.  Maybe need a second cut?  Is it normal for the head to get warm???

Jack
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: RUBY on December 28, 2012, 05:06:48 PM
Hi all,
noticed on this thread that swissvax was mentioned early on, although not a stang owner yet ( i've been watching this site daily for months now so it won't be long) I have been using there products for years on my Harley & Patrol.
Yes its expensive, and has to be ordered from os, but the results are second to none & I would recommend there product to anyone, particularly on the darker colours. Below is the link for the procedure below, the process takes a while but is well worth the result. The link also has useful tips on interior & exterior finishes.
http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?151824-How-To-Make-That-New-Car-Trick-and-save-some-money (http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?151824-How-To-Make-That-New-Car-Trick-and-save-some-money)!!!!!&highlight=swissvax

my 2 cents
cheers.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 29, 2012, 12:02:16 AM
Jack wrote -
Tried on the blue hyundai. One side of bonnet.  P203S on orange using your 400mm 4 peas 4 minute method.  Cant see much difference between the sides, in shadow or sunlight.  Maybe need a second cut?  Is it normal for the head to get warm???

Hi Jack, P203S on an Orange Pad should be a fairly aggressive combination. Couple of questions - What speed were you using on the Flex to Polish? Did you break the Polish right down? ie Very little excess Polish left to wipe off.
To check your results - put the car out in the sun. Look at the area you polished from all angles. Are there any swirl marks remaining? Is there orange peel in the paint which would dull down your result? Rub the flat of your hand over the surface - does it feel extremely smooth?

Here is the procedure to use for the Flex. As you stated - 4 pea sized dobs of polish on the Pad. One only spray of quick detailer on the Pad. Dab the Polish on a 400mm x 400mm area. Start the Flex on speed 1 and quickly spread the Polish. Crank the Flex up to speed 5 or 6( Maximum ) and move it SLOWLY over the area in a cross hatch pattern, overlapping about 50% with each pass. Use moderate pressure only. ie push down on the Flex - but not enough to dent the panel. You should go over the area about 6 times in the 4-5 minutes that it takes to break down the Polish . Make sure the Polish is fully broken down before stopping - even if it takes 6 minutes.
There should be very little excess Polish to wipe off afterwards.

The head of the Flex does get extremely hot, nothing to worry about.

The tendency for a newbie at this type of Polishing is to move the machine too fast, but you need to move slowly in order to make the Polish, Pad and Machine do the work.

Make sure to Polish in the shade, preferably in the garage and do not polish the car while the metal is hot. Outside temperature under 30 degrees is best.

I have never come across paintwork that did not show an improvement after machine polishing, so i think it is just a matter of refining your technique.

Is any of the above different to how you Polished the bonnet today?

We are heading down the South East as soon as i can get the missus moving in the morning, otherwise i would come to your place and give you a hand. If you want to wait till we return i will be more than happy to help.

Rocket.

 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on December 29, 2012, 07:08:59 PM
mwizz


jusTANG
 Nothing???  Aus post is getting worrying.

Jack
 

 :tissue: very worried now, that's seven days, a few PH in the middle
however they worked weekend before   :cry:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on December 29, 2012, 07:35:21 PM
I know this thread is mainly around the exterior of the car, however what do people use to remove the cutting & polishing compounds etc...

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 29, 2012, 08:49:34 PM
Hi Herman, Yes that white residue that is usually left on the car during careless buffing can be a pain to remove.
You need to remove it before waxing the car

There are a few methods you can use. My favourite is Autoglym Fast Glass available at Autobarn. It is an excellent window cleaner but is also good for removing polish residue. Just spray it on and wipe off with a Microfibre cloth.

You can also try Peanut Butter. Apparently the Vegetable oil in Peanut Butter is good for removing the residue.

Another method is to use all purpose cleaner together with a detailing brush. Spray the cleaner on the area then agitate it with the brush, then rinse off.

If it is really stubborn you could use some Wax and Grease remover, but this would be a last resort as it is actually diluted thinners. If you use this be sure to follow up immediately with a good rinse. If left on the paint for any length of time it could cause problems with the paint.

Please let us know how you go. I assume you are talkng about your freshly repaired car?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Herman on December 30, 2012, 05:21:34 PM
Rocket

Yes we're talking about the Green Machine which I have now back at home.  Today I used a combination of a Citrus cleaner, Meguiars Quick Detailer and Window cleaner in the engine bay which has come up pretty good.  Started in the boot with just Meguiars window cleaner which is working well.

Herman
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 30, 2012, 09:15:04 PM
Had a go on the daily driver to get some practice. Started off with the clay bar first. Took about 2.5 hours due to the car been very dirty. Then Orange pad with the 500, 2nd white pad with the 2500. Polish process so far 5.5 hrs. At the moment I am very sore but the gloss coming off the car is unbelieveable. My neighbour thinks I got the car resrayed. Still need to finish off with the 4500 and black pad, then wax(maybe tomorrow). My only concern is that if I do the same process on the mustang I'm not sure if I would like it as it is very plastic looking and not factory.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 30, 2012, 10:07:11 PM
Rocket

Yes we're talking about the Green Machine which I have now back at home.  Today I used a combination of a Citrus cleaner, Meguiars Quick Detailer and Window cleaner in the engine bay which has come up pretty good.  Started in the boot with just Meguiars window cleaner which is working well.

Herman

Herman, That is good. I do not know what the ingredient is that makes window cleaner work well at removing the Polish stains, but glad to know it is doing the job.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 30, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
Had a go on the daily driver to get some practice. Started off with the clay bar first. Took about 2.5 hours due to the car been very dirty. Then Orange pad with the 500, 2nd white pad with the 2500. Polish process so far 5.5 hrs. At the moment I am very sore but the gloss coming off the car is unbelieveable. My neighbour thinks I got the car resrayed. Still need to finish off with the 4500 and black pad, then wax(maybe tomorrow). My only concern is that if I do the same process on the mustang I'm not sure if I would like it as it is very plastic looking and not factory.

Hi 65muzzy, Not surprising that you are sore, you just work through the pain. It does get easier.

You will find that the 4500 on the black pad will Refine the shine on the car. By using a Wax instead of a Sealant it will have more of a warm glow than a plastic looking shine.

Can you put up some pics when you are finished?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on December 30, 2012, 10:24:11 PM

You can also try Peanut Butter. Apparently the Vegetable oil in Peanut Butter is good for removing the residue.
 

...just don't use extra crunchy
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on January 02, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
I think a certain jusTANG needs to throw up a few before and after pics. I think he just got happy again.  :pepper:  :pepper:  :lmao:  :bolt:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on January 02, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
 :grin:     yes Jack I think you are correct. Lets just say its been a tense time and my staff are alittle worried with the way I cradled the flex on its final arriva

Summernats for the next 4 days so no testing till after that. Maybe just a little tomorrow night  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 19, 2013, 01:01:06 AM
Hi Guys, Has anybody Polished their car over the Christmas break? Was hoping for some feedback on the ZFE Polisher and photos of some shining, gleaming Mustangs.

Mentioned earlier that i am looking for a supplier of quality Foam Polishing Pads. Really like the Lake Country CCS Pads, but being a bit of a scrooge - i do not like to pay top dollar for them. You can buy 6 Pads for $50 in the USA from Autogeek - great value, but by the time you add shipping they become a lot dearer. So i have been looking for Pads from China. Came across these on AliExpress and at only $7.22 each delivered, i placed an order for 2 sets -

  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html)

I placed the order on 3rd December, but they did not arrive until early January. I was a bit pissed off about that, but in fairness - it was holiday time so understandable that the post was slow at that time of year.
Had the opportunity to try them out today and find them quite impressive. Need to use them a bit more to form a good opinion, but at the moment i say they are a good buy -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/231.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/232.jpg)

Check out this link to see what i buffed today -

http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/ (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:19:29 AM
Rocket, are the Chinese ones velcro/hook and loop backed?

That roof you polished looks too good for the car, I bet the owner will sure be surprised!  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:24:41 AM

That roof you polished looks too good for the car, I bet the owner will sure be surprised!  :thumb:

Shit, just read your other thread and realised that roof is yours.  :therethere: Yes, I'm sure the owner will be very pleased  :grin: :bow:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 19, 2013, 10:20:24 AM
Rocket, are the Chinese ones velcro/hook and loop backed?

That roof you polished looks too good for the car, I bet the owner will sure be surprised!  :thumb:

Hi Ash, Yes - The Diamond Faced Pads are Velcro/Hook and Loop. The Velcro does not go right out to the edge like the Lake Country Pads do, but they stick like shyte to a blanket. :thumb:

Haha... So you realised that is the roof on the Patrol straight out of the WA mines. Before photo -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/205.jpg)

After -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/226.jpg)

The roof had already been washed before the first photo. That red dust is very sticky. Took a lot of scrubbing to get rid of it.

Next week we will scrub the undercarriage and also fix a few minor dents in the body and blow them in.

More photos -

 http://s244.beta.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing (http://s244.beta.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on January 19, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
Hi Guys, Has anybody Polished their car over the Christmas break? Was hoping for some feedback on the ZFE Polisher and photos of some shining, gleaming Mustangs.


Nope, havent even had time to test the Flex yet :-(
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 19, 2013, 10:54:52 PM

  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Stores-Promotion-New-5PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-pad-and-Polishing-Pad-set-for/609033424.html)


Rocket, in regards to the set you posted above, what do you think of this package as a way of getting a backing plate to use them with? $15.90 seems pretty reasonable?

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-6-Waffle-Polishing-Buffer-Pad-Set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/113369_737818082.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-6-Waffle-Polishing-Buffer-Pad-Set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/113369_737818082.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 20, 2013, 12:53:27 AM
Rocket, in regards to the set you posted above, what do you think of this package as a way of getting a backing plate to use them with? $15.90 seems pretty reasonable?

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-6-Waffle-Polishing-Buffer-Pad-Set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/113369_737818082.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-6-Waffle-Polishing-Buffer-Pad-Set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/113369_737818082.html)

Hi Ash, I doubt that you could buy a backing plate in this country for $15.90 - so it looks a good buy just to get the backing plate.

But i can tell you from experience that those waffle wave pads are an absolute piece of crap. You would be lucky to get any use out of them.

Maybe you could contact the supplier - i think her name is Emma, and ask her how much extra it would cost to order a set of the diamond faced pads and a backing plate. I was quite impressed by those pads yesterday.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 20, 2013, 01:03:16 AM
Nope, havent even had time to test the Flex yet :-(

Hi Justang, I am guessing a combination of hot weather and a busy xmas period for you?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 20, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
Hi Ash, I doubt that you could buy a backing plate in this country for $15.90 - so it looks a good buy just to get the backing plate.

But i can tell you from experience that those waffle wave pads are an absolute piece of crap. You would be lucky to get any use out of them.

Maybe you could contact the supplier - i think her name is Emma, and ask her how much extra it would cost to order a set of the diamond faced pads and a backing plate. I was quite impressed by those pads yesterday.

Rocket.

Thanks, Rocket. I'll give that one a miss then. I was thinking if the pads were good, would be a good way to buy them.

After more searching, I found this

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1x5-125mm-Polishing-Pad-Buffing-pad-Holder-Backer/538834214.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1x5-125mm-Polishing-Pad-Buffing-pad-Holder-Backer/538834214.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 20, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
 :thumb: Bargain!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 20, 2013, 08:40:59 PM
I've only just gone through this thred, Keen to give some of this a go. I've cut 100's & 100's of cars over the years, and given them back, won prizes for some as well. Never tried any of this stuff. In the 80's we use to cut show cars with MAX, then Tcut & corn flower, on wool that's all there was, I used to love corn flower on E &A type acrylic Lacquer, about the only 2k we had was Dulux Acran. If anyone can remember the Beauchamp Bros, Torana & silver mink HK GTS, from the Summer nats in the 80's thats how they were done as was Dave Johnson's Jigsaw FJ which was best wild custom back then at the Nats.  For 2k I've mostly used a couple of grades of Fercula and 3m perfectit. Cut them useing a Rupes single speed buff I've had for 20 + years, few setts of brushes in that time, and a heap of white, orange flat pads and Black waffle pads to finish. I'm doing an XY GT "Faker" now in Vintage Bugandy, might give it a go after I've rubbed and cut it. If it turns out ok I'll do the mustang as well when I paint it. The 67 is Lime Gold same as Rockets Grande can't wait to get color on it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 20, 2013, 11:00:02 PM
Hi ShaunP, Great to see that you are interested in this style of polishing. You would surely be the person with the most experience at buffing cars on this Thread.

In the 80s i was using a Hitachi polisher with a wool pad fitted and used a polishing compound called green frog. Could not afford to upgrade to the Tcut in those days. Polishing cars has come a long way since then - thankfully.

Will you still use your trusty old Rupes polisher or upgrade to a variable speed unit? There are quite a few options for machines now. The Rolls Royce of polishing machines is considered to be the Festool Shinex Rotary, followed by the Flex XC 3401 VRG forced rotation Orbital, then there is the Concours 900 from Waxit or the ZFE Polisher from China. Should also mention the new machine receiving rave reviews in the detailing world, which is the Rupes BigFoot polisher. For a person with your experience at buffing, probably anything less than a rotary would be too slow for you.

For pads i would suggest either Lake Country CCS pads or the Diamond faced pads from China.

There are a lot of polishes on the market now. My preference is still Menzerna - love the shine from Menzerna polishes, although the new Scholl polishes have been used very successfully by several people on this Thread.

The procedure for freshly painted cars would possibly be to compound 2 stages with the 3M Perfectit range, followed by Menzerna 2500 on an orange pad, then 4000 on a white pad and finish off with the refining polish - 4500 on a black pad. You will end up with an incredible shine.

The Vintage Burgundy you mention is a superb colour. We have a 67 coupe in Vintage Burgundy. I started a Menzerna polish on it a couple of years ago, but it had been put aside while we do other cars. Here it is -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Mustangsnmore/053-1.jpg)

From memory, i had buffed the bootlid just before the above photo was taken. Jeremy is finishing the reassembly at home in his spare time. Hope to have it on the road mid year.

I have been watching your 67 build. Can`t wait to see it finished. It will look fantastic in Lime Gold - especially after a Menzerna Polish.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/1969%20Mustang%20Grande/163.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on January 21, 2013, 09:39:41 AM
Hi Shaun,
When you're ready to polish give me a yell and I'll loan you my Concours 900 to try.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 21, 2013, 10:05:03 AM
Hi Shaun,
When you're ready to polish give me a yell and I'll loan you my Concours 900 to try.
Cheers,
Bob

Thanks Bob, I'll take you up that in a few weeks, for the Falcon, I've actually got 3 buffs, a Rupes which very heavy, it kind of does the work for you and 2 x 2 speeds, Hitachi and a Ryobi. I'll cut it with 2 grades of Fercula, first cause I've got this, then try some Menzerna. The XY Faker is a seller I want it looking Killer, in the paint, Vintage Burgandy with a gold GT stripe. It's not a full resto, it was built in the late 90"s and the clear has delaminated. So it's just sand, skim up here and there and paint. Wasn't keen to do a metal strip, not sure what old repairs I would find.
Not keen to buy a new machine yet, wouldn't have the work for it, but I forsee a forced job change back to this work full time in the next couple of years. May buy some of the pads Rocket suggested for the rupes as well. If I'm going to be restoring cars full time I'll have to consider something like the Festool/new Rupes I suspect. You cant wear Rupes tool out, my I have a Buff, an orbi, and long sander, they done crap loads of work and treated very roughly, can't kill them. The Rupes won't be cheap though I supect. Shound have the falcon in hi build later this week. Have to put it on the hoist to pull some dents out of the RH sill, where someone has jacked it up.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on January 21, 2013, 10:59:46 AM
My parents live at Wakerly and I think I'll be going there soon. You're at Wynnum aren't you Shaun?
Used the Concours on the wife's Mini last week-end to remove some overspray she got when she parked in an industrial area - came up great.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 21, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
Yep, but do the but paint shed set up is at Hemant.
heres the rupes bigfoot
http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/rupes/bigfoot_polisher_kit_lhr21e (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/rupes/bigfoot_polisher_kit_lhr21e)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 21, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
I notice the Rupes big foot does a 21mm orbit, while the others seem to 8mm or so.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 21, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Hi Shaunp, Yes... It is a large orbit. The Festool Rotex has a 6mm orbit, thn Flex from Germany went to an 8mm orbit on the Flex XC 3401 VRG and now Rupes has hit the market with the Bigfoot at 21mm.
Some detailers are raving about how quickly they can polish a car with the Bigfoot - probably due to the 21mm orbit, while other Detailers are lamenting the small 500watt motor. There are varying reviews on the Bigfoot. Here is a link to a Thread about it on Autopia -

http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine-polishing-sanding/142571-rupes-bigfoot-lhr-21e-heading-usa.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/machine-polishing-sanding/142571-rupes-bigfoot-lhr-21e-heading-usa.html)

It is a long Thread started by a polishing guru named kevin brown who is importing them to the USA. Obviously he wants to sell them and make a profit for himself.

Here are another couple of Links to an Aussie Detailing Forum -

http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8570-New-Professional-Polishers-from-Rupes (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8570-New-Professional-Polishers-from-Rupes)

http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8172-Rupes-LHR-21E-Big-Foot-VS-Flex-XC-3401-VRG (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8172-Rupes-LHR-21E-Big-Foot-VS-Flex-XC-3401-VRG)

The last Link is a Thread by Mario ( polishdoc ), who is a very accomplished detailer. Unfortunately some people think he is biased toward Flex products and the Thread may reflect that.

This is an example of where things can become a bit blurred on the internet when it comes to product reviews.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on January 21, 2013, 06:40:44 PM
As my paint is only 2 years old, I figured on a 2 coat process for the first time would be the go. Out in the sticks I got some Repco eclipse polish, 2 stage job. Spent today doing the first stage. Used a combination of the white pads, on the dull spots, and black pad on the sides of the car. Boy, you notice the imperfections in the paint when you polish!!
Next is the 2nd stage, a wax. What do you recomend to apply it with, as in which pad?? or none at all. I have the Rocket kit!!!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 21, 2013, 10:31:16 PM
Thanks Rocket, I looked at the links, I think the Oz one is a waste of time, you can't compare a machine with different pads and compounds. I could get any of my machines and they will all cut better with Ferecula than Solar. I'm not sure I get why the random orbit is better than a rotary machine ? Is it because it's harder to burn the paint? or does it cut better. I'm kind of inclined to buy some flasher pads and some Menzerna for what I have. I'll give Bobs ago on the Falcon, though just to compare. So do you guys use the courser Menzerna to cut them first, or something else. I've got Plenty of Ferecula here to cut them, first up. I'll only be cutting 2000 scratches, and then you reckon the 2500, & 4000? is that the go,
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 21, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
As my paint is only 2 years old, I figured on a 2 coat process for the first time would be the go. Out in the sticks I got some Repco eclipse polish, 2 stage job. Spent today doing the first stage. Used a combination of the white pads, on the dull spots, and black pad on the sides of the car. Boy, you notice the imperfections in the paint when you polish!!
Next is the 2nd stage, a wax. What do you recomend to apply it with, as in which pad?? or none at all. I have the Rocket kit!!!

Hi 69candy, Yes... You do notice any imperfections in the paint as you are polishing. Not sure about the Repco Eclipse Polish - never heard of it before. Did it bring up a nice shine? How did you go at handling the ZFE polisher?

Wax is normally applied by dabbing a small foam pad into the wax pot to pick up some wax, then spreading it across the panel by hand. Sealants are normally liquid and can be applied by machine.

If you are coming to town anytime soon, drop by and i will give you some scholl concepts polish to try out.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 21, 2013, 11:33:46 PM
Thanks Rocket, I looked at the links, I think the Oz one is a waste of time, you can't compare a machine with different pads and compounds. I could get any of my machines and they will all cut better with Ferecula than Solar. I'm not sure I get why the random orbit is better than a rotary machine ? Is it because it's harder to burn the paint? or does it cut better. I'm kind of inclined to buy some flasher pads and some Menzerna for what I have. I'll give Bobs ago on the Falcon, though just to compare. So do you guys use the courser Menzerna to cut them first, or something else. I've got Plenty of Ferecula here to cut them, first up. I'll only be cutting 2000 scratches, and then you reckon the 2500, & 4000? is that the go,

Hi shaunp, i agree that machine comparison was absolutely flawed. Do not know what he was thinking.

Very experienced car polishing people will always favour a rotary polisher because they know it is much quicker than an orbital and can most of them can finish down without leaving holograms and buffer trails in the paint.
The orbital machines are aimed more at the hobbiest who may not know how to handle a rotary polisher without damaging the paintwork. They are very easy to handle and because they do not generate anywhere near the heat of a rotary - it is very difficult to damage the paint. They do finish down very well and do not leave holograms or buffer trails. But it does take a lot longer to polish a car.
Up until the Rupes Bigfoot came along, the Flex XC 3401 VRG Forced rotation orbital was considered the best of the available orbital machines. In fact even today i prefer to use my Flex orbital and only use the rotary when i am pressed for time.

The process to achieve a show car shine on freshly painted cars would be to firstly use the compounds like Farecla or 3M as you normally do, then switch to the Menzerna starting with the 2500 then 4000 and finish off with 4500. So 3 extra stages - but well worth it for the finished product. If i was doing the job i would always use the Flex orbital for the final 2 stages, but i think you know how to finish down with the rotary without leaving holograms or buffer trails.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on January 22, 2013, 09:51:05 AM
 The polisher works great. Put it on 1 to spread polish then around 4/5 to actually polish. I will be ordering some brand name polish for the next time round. My bad. I should have said sealent not wax. It is a liqid. Blue pad?? Be good to do this?? I have noticed a few scratches that may need a more abrasive polish to get out
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 22, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
Hi 69candy, The blue pad will be fine. Always use the softest pad for applying sealant.

Use speed no.1 to spread the sealant and try to spread it as thinly as possible.

Photos would be good.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on January 23, 2013, 06:49:15 AM
All done. I'll get some pics after work!!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on January 23, 2013, 09:07:15 AM
Rocket,
you were asking for comment from the ZFE buyers so here goes.
Nice Machine, plenty of weight and seems solidly built to me.
BUT i havent got much done as its been a bit tropical up here and i had my granddaughters for 2 weeks and i had to do a bit of work as well, which was most inconvenient, then i lost the Hilux for 2 weeks getting the heads rebuilt.
So i started by washing the Hilux (being 2013 it was time for its annual bath) and noticed all the lantana scratches and what looked like grinder crap all down one side (that may have been me using a grinder nearby last easter :ouch:).
So i looked in your box and i found 600 grit discs (see where this is going!!).
Grabbed a bucket of water and off i went over every bit of rusty grit and scratch that i could find.
then another bath, then i clayed the whole thing, then another bath.
Then i touched up the deep scratches with the factory paint tin that came with it (Toyota poverty pack white).
Result is a clean truck with lots of dull sandy spots.
So i bought some 2000 wet and dry and rubbed like shit till the dull sany patches were just dull patches.
Out with my Menzerna 500 on Orange pads, dab on the door, start on 1, spread it then up to 3, back and forth, wax on wax off.
Got bored quickly so up to 7 for about 3 minutes.
Repeated till i had done the whole door, had the polish go black at one stage, so i stopped and cleaned it off then repeated the polishing.
Its a bit better, but i still see dull patches.
So my questions are -
How many times should i do it with 500 and orange before moving on to the next polish?
How fast should the sander be going?
How much pressure should i be using?
I now think white is the wrong colour to learn on as it doesnt give a very good reflection.
Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 23, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Rubbing it with 600 was probably not a good idea, You may not have rubbed all the scratches out with the 2000. Soapy water is also the go, grinding slag will melt into the paint, dragging it out with paper will scratch it as well if you don't keep the paper well lubed and flushed clean. 1500-2000 scratches cut out easy enough but it will take more then 3 mins. Mostly scratches from brushing up againt stuff with a 4x4 will just cut out no need to rub most.
If youv'e rubbed this car be prepared to hang off the buff for a hours not minutes.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 23, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
Also by the number 500, I'm guessing 500 Menerna is a course compound, you dont move on till the panel is cut, ie uniform gloss, the 2500, 4000 etc just polish the whole panel finer and fine. The spots you have sanded need to be totally blended first. If you cant cut it wit 500, 2500 aint going to fix it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on January 23, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
Also by the number 500, I'm guessing 500 Menerna is a course compound, you dont move on till the panel is cut, ie uniform gloss, the 2500, 4000 etc just polish the whole panel finer and fine. The spots you have sanded need to be totally blended first. If you cant cut it wit 500, 2500 aint going to fix it.
Thanks Shaun.
Yes the 500 is the coarsest Menzerna. i also have medium 2500 and fine 4000 as well as cutting compound paste.
So i should buff for ? minutes, then wipe down with detailer, have a look, reload the buffer with more 500 and do it again and again and again......
The bit i wasnt sure of was how long do i polish before i add more 500?
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 23, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
I've never used Menzerna, going to give it a go next one  but only the 2500 & up. The course Farecula, is about as quicker cutting compound you'll get. But basically you just keep cutting, you will know when the compound is gone, I give it a mist of water from time to time, helps cut it finer as the compound dies off. The way good compound works, is the gritt gets smaller as you use it so it does loose power as you go. You don't want a lot or you just clog the pad, you need to keep the pad free. I can't really say how many minutes, I just cut till I'm happy and add compound as i see fit, spit on it , mist a bit of water from a spray bottle etc. I hold a bog applicator on the pad if it loads up. I've never used and orbit buff, only heavy rotary types, not really sure how hard you can drive them. I lay into them, and as you polish end up with no pressure toward the finish, you'll just have to get a feel for it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 23, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Hi Scedd1, That 600 grit paper is way too coarse for polishing. It was included in the kit and so i sent it out with them. I would use it for sanding wood or metal, but certainly not paint. Can i suggest everybody just put it in with your general sandpapers and do not use it on your cars.

Here are some general guides of wetrubbing sandpaper used in paint and panel.

240grit - for paint removal and repairwork.

400grit - for smoothing repairs prior to undercoating

600 grit - for wetrubbing paint prior to undercoating

800grit - for wetrubbing undercoat prior to painting top coats

1200grit - for speedy wetrubbing prior to compounding

1500grit - preferred grit for quality wetrubbing prior to compounding

2000grit - for fine wetrubbing after using 1500 for high quality finish and also to remove fine scratches.

So you will see that by using 600grit on the paint it has introduced some deep scratching. Question is - how to fix it.

Here is a Menzerna chart - Courtesy of Zas.com.au detailers supplies in sydney

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/menzerna_chart.jpg)

FG500 is a fairly aggressive polish which has a fairly long work time. So, using the products you already have - select the firmest polishing pad you have. Put 4 pea sized dobs of polish on the pad, dab it on a 400mmm x 400mmm section and polish just that area on speed no.5 for approximately 5 minutes or until the polish has dried and gone powdery, but do not go beyond 5 minutes. Wipe the area clean with some quick detailer and a microfibre, then inspect it. Does it have an even shine? If so , go to next area. If not go over the same area again.

Can i suggest you just do one panel at a time - say the front guard (either side) and let us know how it goes.

When you are buffing, go slowly in a crosshatch pattern, overlapping about 50%. As a general guide you should go over the area about 6 times in the 5 minutes.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on January 23, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Depends how much paint is left as to if you can cut it out, You may have to re sand it with something heavier than 2000. 1500 with soapy water, to get the deap marks out, depends how hard you sanded it with 600 really and how scratched it is. You won't cut 600 marks out, you have to get rid of them with 1500, then cut that out.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69candy on January 23, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
For a bloke who knows as much about polishing, as he does about being a #### star, SFA  I'm pretty happy with the results. There are a few areas that need a little luv, as in a few slight scratches that will need a more of a cut to get out. I will go see my painter about them and see what he says's as well as a few other questions
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/husky370/103_4597_zps46a57145.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/husky370/103_4596_zps5be8e296.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/husky370/103_4590_zps07b4c6e7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/husky370/103_4591_zps68eb4a7c.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/husky370/103_4592_zps6f41f583.jpg)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 23, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Wow! That is looking very nice!

Top Job :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Dark Horse on January 30, 2013, 11:57:46 PM
It must be nice to have good paint  :cry:

I've been browsing this thread for a while now trying to learn what I can. Love my car to bits, but the paint...well...needs some help...??? (Warning : some people may find the following photos distressing) :thud:

(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/Dark_Horse78/P1030461_zps7cce6550.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/Dark_Horse78/P1030459_zps0fb643af.jpg)
(http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o605/Dark_Horse78/P1030458_zps665edde7.jpg)

I've washed & clayed just prior to these photos. Is there any point polishing or am I wasting my time & money? Otherwise, what should I use? Someone had already 'given it a go' & left me with holograms all over the boot lid (clay seems to have helped with that already though). The photos I've posted are of the boot lid only, which is by far the worst paint on the car, but the rest of the car is fairly hazy/cloudy like the patches you can see in these photos. Hey, I'm not looking at winning any shows, it's a daily drive type of car & that's how I like it, but if I can do something to improve what I have then I'll do my best. I'm just concerned that if I were to give it a polish I really don't know how thin the paint is by now. Your thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 31, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
Hi Dark Horse, It is hard to tell from the photos, but the paint does look very thin on the bootlid. Might be best to respray it. Almost looks like somebody has given the bootlid a very light coat of paint which has not adhered very well to the original paint underneath.

Found a pic of your car. 67 Lime Gold - oh yeah! Very nice -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/2a.jpg)

I see you live at Laura in the mid north. Do you come down to Adelaide very often? On your next trip could you call in to see us and i would be happy to offer an opinion. Could even buff a small section to see how it would come up as long as the temperature is under 30 degrees.

From the photo of the car i wonder if you could get away with polishing the rest of the car and just have the bootlid resprayed. Have you ever done any spray painting or do you know any local body repair people?

As long as the paint on the rest of the car is reasonable, it should respond well to a good machine polish.

Rocket.
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Stang on January 31, 2013, 10:32:55 AM
I reckon this thread, has got to be one of the best and most informative threads on the site, and has also just cracked the 11,500 views.

Good work to Glen70 for starting it, and all those, especially Rocket for the detailed information, which Im sure we have all learnt something from.

Good work guys.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on January 31, 2013, 11:17:50 AM
Should we rename the thread ROCKETS RUB........ :grin: ... :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on January 31, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
Should we reame the thread ROCKETS RUB........ :grin: ... :thumb:

 :agree:  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Dark Horse on February 01, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
Cheers Rocket,

Yeah I have bad feeling that the paint might be too thin all over to be honest. Photos have the fortunate (or unfortunate) habit of making things look better than what they actually are - especially when it comes to paint & panel!  Sadly spray painting is not something I've ever done & although I know a handful of guys that were very good at it, they all got out of the trade years ago - bummer.

Bringing it to Adelaide poses no problems with me - hell, it gives me an excuse to go somewhere in it!  :thumb:  I might have to do that after I get the fuel consumption under control though as I am currently getting a whopping 5km to the litre  :omg:  Whereabouts in Adelaide would I find you?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Andy68coupe on February 01, 2013, 02:30:18 PM
I find Meguiars Car product do wonders on my paint work, with there micro fibre cloths for chamios and they have a great range of product for different applications i live in narooma on the south coast and i use there nxt next generation in the purple bottle and i find it last twice aslong as anything else i use. i even use it on my g/f xr6 in dash and it does wonders.

thats my thoughts

cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on February 01, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Whereabouts in Adelaide would I find you?
.....IMAGE CLASSIC CARS... :bow: :bow: ....Research road Pooraka, just up from Parafield Discount City............Bridge road end!........ :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 03, 2013, 09:27:16 AM
I reckon this thread, has got to be one of the best and most informative threads on the site, and has also just cracked the 11,500 views.

Good work to Glen70 for starting it, and all those, especially Rocket for the detailed information, which Im sure we have all learnt something from.

Good work guys.

Hi 66 Stang, Glad you are enjoying the Thread.

I am more surprised than anybody that there is so much interest in polishing cars, but it really is a great way to make your car stand out in a crowd. Well worth the effort.

It has been a bit too hot to machine polish cars lately. My fingers are itching to get back into it again.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 03, 2013, 09:35:19 AM
Cheers Rocket,

Yeah I have bad feeling that the paint might be too thin all over to be honest. Photos have the fortunate (or unfortunate) habit of making things look better than what they actually are - especially when it comes to paint & panel!  Sadly spray painting is not something I've ever done & although I know a handful of guys that were very good at it, they all got out of the trade years ago - bummer.

Bringing it to Adelaide poses no problems with me - hell, it gives me an excuse to go somewhere in it!  :thumb:  I might have to do that after I get the fuel consumption under control though as I am currently getting a whopping 5km to the litre  :omg:  Whereabouts in Adelaide would I find you?

Hi Dark Horse, We look forward to you calling in - after you get the excessive fuel consumption sorted. At 5km to the litre you would use about 46 litres to get here. At about $1.55 per litre that would cost $71.30 each way. Ouch!! :grin:

As Dale wrote - We are at 87 Research Rd. Look for "Image Robes".

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 03, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
I find Meguiars Car product do wonders on my paint work, with there micro fibre cloths for chamios and they have a great range of product for different applications i live in narooma on the south coast and i use there nxt next generation in the purple bottle and i find it last twice aslong as anything else i use. i even use it on my g/f xr6 in dash and it does wonders.

thats my thoughts

cheers

Hi Andy68coupe, There are many fans of the Meguiars range. Think i have some of their Car Wash that you mention at work. Must give it a try.

Thanks for your thoughts. I see that was your first post on the Forum and hope it is the first of many. All contributions welcome. We love photos here - how about putting up some photos of your car. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 03, 2013, 09:47:16 AM
Should we rename the thread ROCKETS RUB........ :grin: ... :thumb:

Err.... Maybe not! :lol: :lol:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Andy68coupe on February 05, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Yes there will be more posts. I'm Just in the middle of working on the old girl to get her passed for a blue slip so i am in the garage every night. but i have been taking plenty of photos of the work i have been doing so it wont be long before i post some pics of the old girl.

cheers rocket
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 05, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
Excellent! Hope you do not have too much work to get her ready.

Looking forward to seeing your photos.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on February 10, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
Cheers Rocket,

Yeah I have bad feeling that the paint might be too thin all over to be honest.


do not write anything off if your not after a show care finish.
My paint is very very thing and I get comments on it all the time about how good the paint is until they have a close look. Its because it is always shinny and detailed. 

A local owner has a very original paint car that showed its age. He never polished it as he thought it was a waste. I talked him into loving it a little more then he already did and while still not being the best paint it looks the best it can and IMHO heaps better then it did prior.


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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 10, 2013, 02:50:41 PM
Hi jusTANG, That was a good reminder to the Forum Members.

Have been waiting to see some pics from you. How are you getting along with your new Flex Polisher?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on February 10, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Hi jusTANG, That was a good reminder to the Forum Members.

Have been waiting to see some pics from you. How are you getting along with your new Flex Polisher?

Rocket.

have not even tried it yet Rocket to be honest. All hell is broken loose at work and in personal life. Then when I do have some time like today, pulled out polisher, reviewed your advice, and over 30 degrees so thought better to leave it :-(
We have the Canberra Mustang Show
http://canberramustangshow.com.au/ (http://canberramustangshow.com.au/)
and would like the muzzie looking her best  :ouch: time is getting away from me however  :toetapping:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 10, 2013, 03:10:36 PM
Holy Crap - Not much time left. I see your car show is on the 24th Feb.

Maybe if you get time you could just do a one step polish on the Mustang with Menzerna 2500?

Hope everything settles down at work and personally for you.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on February 10, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
car not too bad was thinking maybe to do the top and leave sides as they still look good.

 I would do the tops of the guards to and leave the edge as the brake between old and new?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on February 11, 2013, 09:45:10 PM
Hey Rocket,

Just thought I'd jump in & say THANKS yet again for sharing your experience.

As you may recall, I've been using Autoglym HD Wax which is great but always hazes up for one or two weeks after application. Seems to happen when the temp cools down at night.

I recently copped some stains/watermarks through the whole car & had no choice but to machine polish it yet again (quick once over with finest Scholl polish & black pad). I then re-applied one thin coat of Jetseal 109 by machine & wiped off next day.
Reluctant to use the HD Wax again, I took your advice & got some DP Max Wax. It applies & buffs off much easier than the AG HD Wax & best of all, it doesn't go hazy!  :thumb:

Keep those tips coming!

Evan.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8514/8464910784_106fd96b69_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8464910784/)
DP Max Wax (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8464910784/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8381/8463812967_c5bf18af2a_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8463812967/)
DP Max Wax (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evans-photos/8463812967/) by evvvvan (http://www.flickr.com/people/evans-photos/), on Flickr
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 11, 2013, 10:54:18 PM
Hi Evan, Wow!! Your car looks absolutely gorgeous with that incredible shine. :thumb:

DP MaxWax is such a good wax and real value for money at about $40 from waxit.com.au The first time i used it just could not believe that a cheaper wax could compete and actually look better than some waxes costing well over $100. It certainly ranked in the top5 of the 20 waxes i tested back in 2009.

For those who have not seen the Wax Test Thread, here is a Link -

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If you ever want to experiment with some other waxes, my top 5 in no particular order are Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Wax, Pinnacle Souveran, DP MaxWax, Collinite915, P21S 100% Carnauba Wax. But note - they are all much more expensive than the DP MaxWax.

Hope to start another polishing job on this car through the week -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Verts%20on%20way%20home/011-1.jpg)

It is Jeremys Wifes 69 Acapulco Blue Vert which was painted a few years ago now. Jeremy has been getting it ready for Registration and we want it looking as good as possible. Look for photos later in the week - as long as it does not get too hot.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on February 12, 2013, 01:03:47 AM
Thats a good looking vert Rod.
It will look stunning with a good polish.
Glad to see its not a parts car anymore  :thumb:

How u fixed Tuesday/Wednesday?
Need a chat.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 12, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
Hi Michael, I am looking forward to polishing this car. Really like the Acapulco Blue and i think with the Menzerna treatment it will look fantastic. We all felt a little guilty about  taking parts off the car again for the Nationals last year so it will be good to see the car finally Registered and Monique driving it.

Drop in whenever you like. Always good to chat with you.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 12, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
The information regarding generous Discounts on car care products offered to Forum Members by Waxit and Chemical guys is becoming lost within the Thread.

To make it easier to locate the information i have Edited my first post on page 1 of this Thread, so just go to page 1 and see the second post down.

That was a good idea jusTANG :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on February 25, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
Bob (Blue 302) dropped his Concours kit over of Saturday, I had a bit of a play on an MGA Roadster, that was painted in 08 but has never been on the road, The Menzerna seems to work pretty well but I'm thinking I'll get some similar type pads that came with Bob's kit to use on the my rotary machines, I'm not sure I like the random orbit unit, it's pretty light, & a little slow to cut, not keen on the vibration either, I kind of feltl like I really have tp push it, rather then the machine doing the work, I think I'll use the Rupes rotary for all but the finest polish, I'll try and use the Concours unit for that, but Ill try and compare the 2 units at this stage as well. I'll have to get on to one of the vendors for some pads I think.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on February 25, 2013, 08:48:33 PM
Hi Shaun,
The pads I have are the Lake Country pads . I got some extra from Chemical Guys at $15.95 less the 10 per cent discount - $14.40.
Your Rupes polisher definitely seemed to work faster and you looked pretty confident with it. As a starter machine the Concours did suit me and I'm pretty happy with the finished result. I think with your higher level of skill your idea of just finishing with my machine would probably get the best result.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on February 25, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
Hi Shaun,
The pads I have are the Lake Country pads . I got some extra from Chemical Guys at $15.95 less the 10 per cent discount - $14.40.
Your Rupes polisher definitely seemed to work faster and you looked pretty confident with it. As a starter machine the Concours did suit me and I'm pretty happy with the finished result. I think with your higher level of skill your idea of just finishing with my machine would probably get the best result.
Cheers,
Bob

No question Bob, the random orbit machine is the go if you have little practice at cutting paint, I really doubt you could burn the finish. The machine we used on Saturday was a 25 year old Ryobi, The Rupes is at the other shed, it is my preferred machine much heavier again it does the work for you. Gav was around for a beer this arvo, he thought the Menzera was good as well,  33 years of painting cars under his belt from jam, Nitro, E  & A type acrylic to current COB stuff. I mean we used to cut them with wool, Max, and corn flower and Tcut if they were something flash. Normally now we cut them with  2 grades of Ferecula  with and orange pad then a back waffle with 3m perfectit. I'll really put some time in to the 67, I'm going to put 3 coats of  Sikkens MS clear on it, scuff it out, then flow coat it, then cut it, with all the stages. I enjoyed your visit on the weekend, hope the boys picked up something, we were all young once.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on February 25, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Just did the LH side of the MG, useing a rotary, orange pad, 2000, 4000, 4500, then with the concours on the soft pad, with 4500, it looks pretty nice under fluro lights I have to say, and I didn't spend that much time on it. I layed into it though, couple of sink backs I may rub with 2000 yet.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 26, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
shaunp, Your thoughts are spot on. Professionals find the random orbital polishers way too slow, but in the hands of those who are not experienced with rotary polishers the random orbitals are very safe because they will not normally burn through paint. Although they are slower it is still possible to obtain superb results as seen by BLU302 and Evan.

I began a polishing job on the 69 Vert yesterday and experienced the fast v slow situation. First stage was Menzerna PF2500 on the Orange Pad using the Flex Rotary. Took about 30 minutes to do the bonnet and top of the guards. For the second stage i used the same polish on a White Pad,but this time i used the Flex Forced Rotation Orbital. Time to do the same section was about 90 minutes. Here are some photos -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/274_zps2661084a.jpg)

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/272_zps87f8869d.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/278_zps0adf5a3b.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/281_zps5b73f9f4.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/282_zps9105d489.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/288_zps0d4cd9a1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/291_zps23edfbf3.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 26, 2013, 09:18:43 AM
Wet Rubbing

When preparing to start polishing the 69 Vert i gave it a quick wash with Quick Detailer and Microfibre Cloths, then rubbed the back of my hand over the area to be polished to check for any rough feeling areas. There were 2 such areas on the top of each guard. I gave each spot a going over with Clay which left them smooth for polishing -

   (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/271_zpsae49bcb4.jpg)

However on the bootlid there was some overspray. Tried the Clay first, but found it could not remove the overspray. Only option was to Wet Rub it off.

When using Wet or Dry on a car you need to be extremely careful. Paint is only Microns thick, so care must be taken not to break through the clearcoat or you will ruin the paint job.
Do not use anything coarser than 2000 grit. Also, you do not just use your hand or fingers to rub or you risk putting fingermark indentations into the paint. The correct tool to use is a colour sanding Sponge/Pad. The Wet or Dry is cut into quarters. You put a piece into a bucket of water to soften it for about 20 - 30 minutes, then wrap it around the colour sanding Pad.
You need to have a little bit of running water while sanding the area. Just enough water flow to keep the area wet and remove the paint as it comes off. I use a Chux and just dip it in the water then squeeze it gently with one hand while rubbing with the other. It only took about one minute to cut through the overspray -

 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/293_zpsb80d142e.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/299_zps371be972.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/300_zpsa515c1d1.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/301_zps5edcefad.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/305_zpsb1a63972.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/309_zpsd85fddc8.jpg)

Then after dring the area off i buffed it with Menzerna PF2500. It looked good, but upon closer inspection from all angles i could still see a few scratches so i used a little cutting compound to eliminate them -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/312_zps2d939677.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/318_zpse24218e7.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/317_zps7cb1729b.jpg)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on February 26, 2013, 02:45:29 PM
Looking forward to seeing how the MG turns out, Shaun. Do you think you'll need to use 2000 wet n dry - I thought the paint was pretty good - just needed final finishing.
Adam has organised the longer bolts for the front suspension arms and ordered the new master cylinder for my car - I think he's keen to progress on his car again.
Rocket - I love your explanations - it makes it a no-brainer to try. The marks I had on my front mudguard look like they were already through the clear coat but I have cleaned them up so they are barely noticeable - only problem is that I know they are there. I'll eventually get the guard repainted along with a small knock on the rear quarter where a loose object in the boot hit the side.
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on February 26, 2013, 03:48:54 PM
Bob couple of chips to pencil touch, and rub, also couple little sink backs Ill knock the top off. You could use that pad  lube and 2000 to blend a small chip touch up I reckon.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on February 27, 2013, 11:20:27 AM
The vert looks good Rod.
That Acapulco blue is a really nice colour and the 69 vert is a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 27, 2013, 12:14:35 PM
Hi Michael, I agree with you - Acapulco Blue rocks.

I am using a slightly different method to polish this one. It has been sitting around for a couple of years now, so i am using a Cutting Compound for the first stage ( 3M Perfect-it no.1 )

Process is Stage1 3M perfect-it cutting compound with orange pad on the flex rotary

               Stage2 Menzerna PF2400 with white pad on the flex rotary

               Stage3 Menzerna SF4000 with green pad on the flex rotary

               Stage4 Menzerna Uf 4500 with black pad on the flex forced rotation orbital

Have already completed 4 stages on the bonnet, tops of guards and bootlid. Just now shot these photos are after completing the first stage down one side -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/005_zpsf72a1815.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/003_zps42608c6d.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/007_zpsd38b7af3.jpg)

Thankfully it is a much cooler day today. Yesterday was a sweat fest!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on February 27, 2013, 12:43:56 PM
Process is Stage1 3M perfect-it cutting compound with orange pad on the flex rotary


Just curious, Rocket. Was this because of the overspray? Or did the paint need more of a cut?
Just curious to learn, I love reading this stuff!  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on February 27, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Just curious, Rocket. Was this because of the overspray? Or did the paint need more of a cut?
Just curious to learn, I love reading this stuff!  :thumb:
What it's about is cutting it finer and finer and finer, to perceftly flat poilished surface, which would not norammly happen. Most panel shops would often not cut a car if it came of the gun well, maybe a spot cut for a paint flaw etc, then a quick once over to blend it in after a rub with 2000 or 1500 on the flaw.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on February 27, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
Hi Michael, I agree with you - Acapulco Blue rocks.

I am using a slightly different method to polish this one. It has been sitting around for a couple of years now, so i am using a Cutting Compound for the first stage ( 3M Perfect-it no.1 )

Process is Stage1 3M perfect-it cutting compound with orange pad on the flex rotary

               Stage2 Menzerna PF2400 with white pad on the flex rotary

               Stage3 Menzerna SF4000 with green pad on the flex rotary

               Stage4 Menzerna Uf 4500 with black pad on the flex forced rotation orbital

Have already completed 4 stages on the bonnet, tops of guards and bootlid. Just now shot these photos are after completing the first stage down one side -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/005_zpsf72a1815.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/003_zps42608c6d.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/007_zpsd38b7af3.jpg)

Thankfully it is a much cooler day today. Yesterday was a sweat fest!

Rocket.


ooohhhhh very very nice, Monique will champing at the bit to get that filly on the road
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 27, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
Just curious, Rocket. Was this because of the overspray? Or did the paint need more of a cut?
Just curious to learn, I love reading this stuff!  :thumb:

What it's about is cutting it finer and finer and finer, to perceftly flat poilished surface, which would not norammly happen. Most panel shops would often not cut a car if it came of the gun well, maybe a spot cut for a paint flaw etc, then a quick once over to blend it in after a rub with 2000 or 1500 on the flaw.

Ash, As shaunp wrote - It is all about levelling the paint eg eliminating peel, swirls etc.

After i wet rubbed the bootlid and buffed it with pf 2500, there were still some 2000 grit scratches remaining. So i used cutting compound which took those scratches out easily. Then i looked closely at the bootlid and saw a few more light scratches on the other side and figured it needed a higher level of cut. There was also just a bit of peel in the front guard. Decided to bite the bullet and use the cutting compound all the way around the car, knowing that it would eliminate any other fine scratches caused by people putting things on the body over the last couple of years. It Worked a treat.

Rocket. 

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on February 27, 2013, 07:41:22 PM
ooohhhhh very very nice, Monique will champing at the bit to get that filly on the road
Sally

Hi Sally, Yes.... Monique has been extremely patient waiting for her car to be finished.

After the polishing job is finished the car will go to Regency for Registration, then it is all hers finally. Will be great to see her driving it. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on February 27, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
Thanks for the reply guys. I had a feeling you used the stage 1 3M compound for a paint defect such as the peel and deeper scratches. I wanted to ask to be sure.

Cheers :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on February 28, 2013, 10:45:20 PM
God damn this is a good Thread!!
 :agree: :thumb:

Now to find the time to sit down and read the 20 odd pages :therethere:

Just bought a Bosch GEX 150 turbo.  Highly rated compared to the Festo RO 150.

Been wasting hours on autogeek and $270 on the basics (plus shipping)... expensive past time :omg: :cry:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 01, 2013, 07:15:52 AM
Hi mattstruck, Glad you are enjoying the Thread

I think you made a good choice in buying the Bosch GEX 150 Turbo - There are a lot of good reviews on the net.

It will be well worth investing your time and money to make your Mustang Gleam :thumb:

Don`t forget - When ordering from Autogeek request USPS (US Postal Service) method of shipping as it is much cheaper. Goods arrive in about ten days.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Mustangpaul on March 01, 2013, 07:12:35 PM
Cofucious say, always remember, if you want to be good karate kid, always remember wax on wax off, wax on wax off.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 01, 2013, 07:47:49 PM
Just got email from auto geek.
Won't sell me jet seal or any chem guys gear internationally :thud:
Shipping to aus $115!!! USPS
Crikey!! Got to be a better option??
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 01, 2013, 07:49:23 PM
Ahhsoooo......All looks very noble -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/1969%20Mustang%20Grande/victa/untitled_zpsf09a1387.png)

 But do you know what the old fart does while the grasshopper waxes on and off?

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/1969%20Mustang%20Grande/victa/imagesCA22QLD1_zps23422bbd.jpg)

The rumor persists -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/1969%20Mustang%20Grande/victa/imagesCAH8VEXD_zps5fb6db8e.jpg)

 :grin: :grin: :bolt:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 01, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
Just got email from auto geek.
Won't sell me jet seal or any chem guys gear internationally :thud:
Shipping to aus $115!!! USPS
Crikey!! Got to be a better option??

Yes... This has been going on for a while. I expect they are looking after the Australian Distributors.

You may have ordered some heavy gear. My last order for pads - about 1.5 years ago cost $80 via USPS.

Not to worry, you can buy Chemical Guys gear locally at good prices - see 2nd post on page 1 of this Thread for details. Pads can be bought from China pretty cheap. Good pads too - the diamond faced type. Will find a link for you shortly.

Edit - Here is the Link for those pads -  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-polishing-pad-set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/739943400.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6PC-6-Diamond-Face-Foam-Buffing-polishing-pad-set-one-M14-Drill-Adapter-For-Car-polishing/739943400.html)

What else did you order?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 01, 2013, 09:02:52 PM
Cheers Rocket. Bought 6 pads, 3 bottles menzerna (you recommended) clay block and spray lube.
$115 is crazy!  I recently bought a heap of large parts from the USA for $60 USPS!
$115 seems a bit crazy, maybe it's air express or something?!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 01, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
mattstruck, Yes... They send the parcel by International Air Express.

The weight of the 3 bottles of Menzerna would have pushed the cost up to the $115.

If you buy the Pads from China, the Jetseal, Clay and Lube from Chemical Guys and the Menzerna from Waxit, i think it would all price out to about the same as buying from the USA.

I am a big fan of Menzerna - Love the shine it produces. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 11, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
Question for you Rocket! :thumb:

I have a 4x4 with "bush pin striping" all down the sides :tissue:

Whats the best way to tackle those?

Use a cutting compound with the bosch PEX 150 and a specific pad? 

Then clean off and do the Menzerna 3 stage polish?

Also the Mrs car has some scratches which Id like to tackle.  Not sure they'll buff out but worth a try I guess. 
Also hers has paint spatter on one side. Looks like some moron with a roller has painted too close to the car.
Wonder if the same product/ pad could tackle these issues too?
Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 11, 2013, 06:49:24 PM
Question for you Rocket! :thumb:

I have a 4x4 with "bush pin striping" all down the sides :tissue:

Whats the best way to tackle those?

Use a cutting compound with the bosch PEX 150 and a specific pad? 

Then clean off and do the Menzerna 3 stage polish?

Hi mattstruck,  "Bush Pin Striping" Love it! :thumb:

Probably needs something like a Cutting Compound for the first stage. I used 3M Perfect-it No.1 on the 69 Vert which worked well. There is also a Menzerna Compound called FG500. I am going to try it next time because it is getting lots of praise on the detailing forums. Here is a chart -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/menzerna_chart.jpg)

I suggest you use either of the above ( Menzerna FG500 or 3M Perfect -it No.1 ) Try first with an Orange Lake Country Pad and if it does not remove them go to the Yellow Lake Country Pad. Follow that with a Menzerna 3 Stage Polish.

You could try the same Compound on your Wifes car. Not sure about the paint splatters. Maybe try Clay first.

There is a general rule of thumb with scratches in your paint - If you rub a fingernail across the scratch and do not feel an indentation it should buff out.

Rocket.

Also the Mrs car has some scratches which Id like to tackle.  Not sure they'll buff out but worth a try I guess. 
Also hers has paint spatter on one side. Looks like some moron with a roller has painted too close to the car.
Wonder if the same product/ pad could tackle these issues too?
Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 11, 2013, 10:35:34 PM
Cheers Rocket! :bow:
Thanks heaps mate,  when the gear arrives Ill give it a go and let you know. :evilone: 
Thanks again. :thumb:
Matt
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 12, 2013, 07:06:32 AM
Cheers Rocket! :bow:
Thanks heaps mate,  when the gear arrives Ill give it a go and let you know. :evilone: 
Thanks again. :thumb:
Matt

Matt, You are more than welcome.

How about putting up some photos when you do the job?

Speaking of photos - We have been waiting for a few guys to put up some photos of their polishing jobs. :toetapping:
How about it? :smile01:

Rocket

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on March 14, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
Hi Rod
Well Ive just started to build my polishing kit with an order for some Menzerna SF400 and a Lake country orange pad being placed yesterday.
Now I may have asked before but I cant remember the answer, I have the C stripes on my car and wanted to know if I should be avoiding polishing near them or just go over the top of them ?
I was also considering the Jetseal 109 after the buffing is completed and wondered if it might be suitable for my paint ?.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on March 14, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
I have been using the Jetseal 109 lately and have been real pleased with the results..........not only is it nice and smooth and shiny but the car can get filthy with dust and crap like it did at the Clipsal during the day, and it mostly blows off going home.......been happy with it!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on March 14, 2013, 12:18:12 PM

Speaking of photos - We have been waiting for a few guys to put up some photos of their polishing jobs. :toetapping:
How about it? :smile01:
Rocket

Steady on, its only March.
How long do you think takes to finish a polishing job that was only started on Boxing Day? :lmao:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
Hi Rod
Well Ive just started to build my polishing kit with an order for some Menzerna SF400 and a Lake country orange pad being placed yesterday.
Now I may have asked before but I cant remember the answer, I have the C stripes on my car and wanted to know if I should be avoiding polishing near them or just go over the top of them ?
I was also considering the Jetseal 109 after the buffing is completed and wondered if it might be suitable for my paint ?.

Hi Michael, I went straight over the top of the Mach 1 stripes with no problems.

With the Menzerna SF 4000 you would normally use that with a white or green polishing pad, but i guess the orange pad would give you a deeper cut so to speak if that is what you are after. I have plenty of white pads - just come and grab one if you want to try both.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
I have been using the Jetseal 109 lately and have been real pleased with the results..........not only is it nice and smooth and shiny but the car can get filthy with dust and crap like it did at the Clipsal during the day, and it mostly blows off going home.......been happy with it!

Hi Dale, Good to see you have the Jetseal. Sounds like it is making your black paint a bit less of a full time job. :thumb:

How do you rate it compared to the Zaino?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 02:06:41 PM
Steady on, its only March.
How long do you think takes to finish a polishing job that was only started on Boxing Day? :lmao:

Hi scedd, I know from experience there is no rush in QLD :smile01:

Actually, with the weather you guys have had i can`t see how you could get anything done.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on March 14, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
I think the finish is similar Rod.....the Zaino is a wipe on wipe off product where the Jetseal is a bit more time consuming.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 07:25:55 PM
OK... Thanks Dale, I will stick with the Jetseal then because i am so familiar with using it.

Michael, Yes - The Jetseal will be ideal for your paint :thumb:

I finally finished a 4 stage Polish job on the Winter Blue Nissan Patrol this afternoon. Polished the Left Hand side and most of the Bonnet in the heat last week. Used the Flex Rotary on the first 3 stages, then the Flex Forced Rotation Orbital for the final stage. Was going to do the same on the Right Hand side, but Luke commandeered the Flex Rotary yesterday just as i was about to start polishing. Bugger! He needed it so that he and BradB could have a Rotary each to buff Ron`s Mach 1 -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/RonsMach1Restoration/DSC01190_zps8ede7c21.jpg)

It meant that i had to use the Flex Forced Rotation Orbital to do all 4 stages. Took a few hours longer doing it this way, but Ron`s mach 1 took priority. Here are some photos of the Nissan Patrol -

After 3 stages -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC01204_zps452dc0b7.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC01209_zps333953c2.jpg)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC01216_zpsf7aa9102.jpg)

4 stages finished on Bonnet and Front Guard -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC01220_zpsc3e4bbf5.jpg)

Will give it a wash with Citrus Wash and Gloss if i get time tomorrow, then finish it with a couple of coats of Jetseal 109 early next week.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 14, 2013, 09:16:52 PM
^^  That finish is absolutely friggin amazing Rocket. :bow: 

You are THE guru!

Its like a mirror.... I never knew a finish like that was possible till I found this thread :thumb:

Hope I get half your results.  Id be happy with that :lol:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on March 14, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
opps should you was before using jetseal Rod?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 10:57:19 PM
^^  That finish is absolutely friggin amazing Rocket. :bow: 

You are THE guru!

Its like a mirror.... I never knew a finish like that was possible till I found this thread :thumb:

Hope I get half your results.  Id be happy with that :lol:

Hi Matt, Thanks for the compliments, but i assure you - anybody can obtain these results. Just takes a lot of perseverance and good Polish, Pads and Polishing machine.

I learnt the basics by reading lots of posts on Car Detailing Forums from the real Gurus.

Check out this Link - http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9029-Porsche-Boxter (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9029-Porsche-Boxter)
It is from the Detail Paradise Forum. I quite often check out the Show and Shine Sections on that Forum and others such as DetailingWorld in the UK, Autopia in the USA and Autogeek - also USA based.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 14, 2013, 11:02:47 PM
opps should you was before using jetseal Rod?

Hi jusTANG, How are your Car Polishing efforts going?

In the past i have used Quick Detailer and Microfibre Cloths to clean the paint before applying Jetseal, but last week i was reading a post on a Detailing Forum where it was suggested that if you give the car a good wash after Polishing but before using the Sealant ,it will remove all Polish residue and give a sharper looking shine. So i will try it out on the Patrol.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on March 20, 2013, 11:56:53 PM
polishing going good Rocket, done two daily's for people to practice that were well worn to say the least, did a full job on one and a quicker job with 2500 and green pad on another. then did the mustang also. both got the jetseal treatment.
I found it took alittle longer then what was quoted  :smash: The Mustang I invested about 40 hours into  :toetapping: not 16

oh, and yes I did the caravan  :thumb: with 2500 after a clay and some wax sealer stuff the old man had that was recommended to him for the fibreglass. The funny thing that only took about 16 hours. so getting quicker.

received some extra pads from china today  :nopity: took ages to arrive

will have to get photos up when I get a few minutes.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 21, 2013, 08:52:38 AM
Hi jusTANG, Aim at taking 15 hours in total for a 3 stage polish using the Flex forced Rotation Orbital, which equates to about 5 hours per stage.

That is quite an initiation for you! 40hours - bloody hell - how did your arms and shoulders feel? I thik you were overworking the polish. Should take a maximum of 5 minutes to do each 400mm x 400mm section. Maybe keep a piece of cardboard cut at that size and maybe even a clock to time yourself.

You are going through a learning curve right now where you concentrate on getting used to polish and machine. That will change as you become accustomed to it and your speed should improve.

Looking forward to seeing your photos.

The Pads I ordered from PNL in China also took ages to arrive. I think they want us to pay extra for the faster delivery service, but at that price for the Pads, I do not mind waiting. I actually gave them bad feedback on Aliexpress for the time taken to deliver. They quickly sent an email pleading with me to amend the feedback which I did because they sounded sincere.
After the Nationals I will look at doing a big bulk buy from the manufacturer so watch this space for cheaper pads delivered quickly. I am very impressed with the diamond faced Pads.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on March 21, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
I just can't get over the finish on the patrol.... :drool: :bow:
That's just incredible....
I'd best drive to SA to get you to do it Rocket.
I have a 2 year old 4x4 and I've trashed it :tissue:
Time for the full treatment....
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 21, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
Hi mattstruck, Thanks for your kind comments.

This is why we did the quick paint job on the Patrol -

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2 Year old 4x4 and you have trashed it? :toetapping: Oh well... Guess you have been using it for the purpose that it was intended for? :smile01:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on March 22, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
Loving the pictures Rod and seeing the patrol with the Mach 1 sensational
Good luck to you all next week, hope you have a fantastic trip and you bring home the gold this time
Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on March 22, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
YEAH FELLAS, HAVE A SAFE TRIP
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 22, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Hi Sally and Dale, Thanks for the well wishes.

If the Perth Nationals are anything like Newcastle - We will have a great time. Sorry you guys are not coming over - How about next year in Geelong?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on March 22, 2013, 06:33:53 PM
We are planning to go Mate!.........Round up this year too maybe
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 22, 2013, 06:52:14 PM
We are planning to go Mate!.........Round up this year too maybe

Great Stuff!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on March 22, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Looks great rocket. Good luck at the nationals  :hi:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 22, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Thanks jusTANG.

Check out the Time for an Update Thread in Members Cars for regular updates of what is happening at the Nationals.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on March 23, 2013, 08:08:37 PM
Hey Rod
Water marks on my ute.  Menzernza PO 203 wont quite remove them however 3M extra cut (1200 scratches ) on an orange pad does a good job Will follow up with PO 203 on white then the finishing polish on a black pad. Until I met you I would have been very happy with the 3M result.  Will pass comments on your influence when I see you after the nationals.   :bolt:  Have a hellova time over there.

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 23, 2013, 10:01:16 PM
Hi Jack, Yes... Water marks are difficult to remove. Your method sounds spot on.

When we return from the Nationals i am going to get some of the new Menzerna FG 500 which is supposed to have good cutting abilities - probably similar to the 3M Extra Cut.

I am sure you will be happy with the results after using the Po203S, but then you could refine it further with SF4000 followed by UF4500. :thumb:

But make sure to get a couple of coats of wax or sealant on the paint straight after.

See you in a couple of weeks.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on April 01, 2013, 02:41:28 PM
Well Ive put the 4 day easter break to good use and just spent a couple of days in the mancave .
Used the menzerna polish on the car and followed it up with the jetseal 109.
Stoked at the improvement.
Taped it all off and used the menzernaSF4000 on a white pad ( thanks Rod).
I used a supercheap buffer machine which I found had a mind of its own at times.
Might have to look at investing in a flex or a chinese copy at some stage.
After a good buff I gave it a water wash ,then dried and applies 2 coats of jetseal according to the instructions on the bottle.
Then buffed with a microfibre towel.
Pretty damn pleased. :thumb:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/Tuskfish/DSC03735_zps5f259a53.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/Tuskfish/DSC03745_zps048ccf13.jpg)

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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 01, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
Wow! Michael that is just dripping wet. Fantastic job. :thumb:

How are your arms and back feeling at the moment?

Takes a long time to do the polishing, but with results like that it is sure worth it. :bow:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on April 01, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
How are your arms and back feeling at the moment?
Takes a long time to do the polishing, but with results like that it is sure worth it. :bow:
Thanks Rod. Its ur fault for inspiring me !
I gotta say, I spent about 15 hrs polishing, washing and applying the sealant.
To say I can feel it is an understatement not to mention the eyebrows working overtime on the missus !
This is not a 2-3 hr job.
Glad I went to the effort though.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on April 01, 2013, 07:14:42 PM
 :coolpic:

great work  :thumb:

 :tissue: yes that pain, I remember that pain
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on April 01, 2013, 09:52:48 PM
Well done Michael you have been busy the car looks absolutely sensational, nice to sit back and see the job you have done, well worth the effort
Cheers. Chris&Sally
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on April 01, 2013, 10:29:42 PM
Well done mate! Wait til you wax it, it'll look & feel even better. Try the DP Max Wax that Rocket recommended, it's brilliant!

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on April 02, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
Great job, Michael - great to see another 68 coupe looking so good.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on April 04, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Ok I've given an MGA that has been sitting for since 2007 when it was painted and cut a quick once over. I didn't spend a lot of time on it. Paint is super hard and could really do with a scuff in places. These cars have alloy skins on doors, bonnet and boot, because of the age of the alloy the paint tends to play up bit. In any case I'm selling it so I just wanted it looking nice. Bob loaned me his Menzerna and Concours machine. The polish is good, but on paint this hard maybe a 1500 grade would be worth having. The rest are fine I only used the Concours on the 4500, & rotorary for the rest,  I find the random orbit way too slow, would like to try a forced rotation unit, as I find I just stall the concours with pressure. I'll get some new pads for the rotoraries we have and some Menerna when cut the 67 for sure and really spend some time on it. The MG  I clayed it, then did Menerna 2000, 4000, 4500. It's pretty shiney certainly good enough to sit out the front of MG City for sale. Thanks to Bob for loan of his gear.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn64/shaunp289/gutterrails010-1_zps40e9a0ad.jpg)
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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Sally on April 04, 2013, 06:07:15 PM
Looks great Shaun, good luck with the sale
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on April 04, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
Hi Shaun,
The MGA looks schmick now. You shouldn't have a problem selling it.
I'm glad you gave the Concours a go - at least now you know what suits you.
Good to get your feedback on the Menzerna - I was really happy with the results I obtained.
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on April 04, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
looks good shaun  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 05, 2013, 06:51:55 PM
Top job shaunp, looks fantastic. :thumb:

I especially like that front shot showing the reflections of the clouds.

No doubt MG City would be proud to have that gorgeous looking car at the front of their display.

Your method is spot on. I agree that a slightly heavier cut for the first stage might make things a bit easier and will be trying that myself shortly with Menzena 500.

The Flex Forced Rotation Orbital has incredible grunt and will not bog down at all.

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on April 05, 2013, 08:07:44 PM
I was , well thought I read to not use to much downward force.
I have maybe been to soft......... never even looked like bogging the flex down.

Please set me straight.
I have a Audi that someone took a ....... to (can't use the word hurts too much) remove egg.
Going to get some heavier cutting to remove scratches in that location. Then was thinking 2500 the maybe 400 and 4500 the rest of car. Or do u think a newish car may benefit from a 2500 all round. Will clay etc first
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 05, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
Hi jusTANG, The general rule of thumb is to use the lightest combination that will do the job.

Maybe after claying the Audi, do a couple of test patches on the worst areas. Try the 2500 on an orange Lake Country pad and see how you go. If it takes it off easily, then try the 2500 with a white pad. However if it is hard going then go to a slightly heavier polish.

Jack told me of a good post he read on the Autogeek Forum - Put enough pressure on so that the dimples in the Lake Country pads are flattened out, but be careful - too much pressure can bow ( stretch ) or dent the panel. I prefer to use less pressure - Let the polish and pad do the work.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on April 06, 2013, 12:34:01 PM
Top job shaunp, looks fantastic. :thumb:

I especially like that front shot showing the reflections of the clouds.

No doubt MG City would be proud to have that gorgeous looking car at the front of their display.

Your method is spot on. I agree that a slightly heavier cut for the first stage might make things a bit easier and will be trying that myself shortly with Menzena 500.

The Flex Forced Rotation Orbital has incredible grunt and will not bog down at all.

Rocket.
When say bog down the motor has plenty of power, but if you use much pressure the random orit stalls if you know what I mean. So you loose the 2 direction motion.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 06, 2013, 03:00:00 PM
Hi shaunp, Yes... I have experienced that many times when using a dual action sander/ polisher.

A few of us have the Flex 3401 VRG Forced Rotation Polisher which is in another class. It uses a gear operated Forced Oscillation. The Flex will not bog down at all - you would dent the panel first. Here is an excellent explanation by Mike Phillips from Autogeek -

All about the FLEX-3401 Forced Rotation Dual Action Polisher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmojb8XIuk#ws)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on April 06, 2013, 05:23:54 PM
Hi Rocket,

I have the Bosch which also has the forced oscillation.
When doing the 3 stage Menzerna polish do you used forced oscillation the whole time or do you change to random orbital at any stage??
Cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 06, 2013, 10:26:15 PM
Hi mattstruck, I would certainly use the forced rotation mode for the final stage. This will ensure there are no holograms or buffer trails left in the paint.

Not sure about the first and second stage. Trial and error is probably your best bet. Depending on the pressure applied, maybe the random orbit will act a bit like a rotary ie just spinning rather than oscillating a lot of the time. Think i would do a test by using the random orbit on the first panel, then forced rotation on the next panel then compare finish and time taken on each panel.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on April 08, 2013, 07:32:23 AM
Hi Rocket,

Just saw that 3m are now doing a 5000 grit trizact. Looks like it would save a whole lot of time. Have you guys tried it out at all?

3M's Trizact 5000 Sandpaper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZqnN8cnReg#ws)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 08, 2013, 08:31:17 AM
Hi Ash, That is a very informative video. :thumb:

Several years ago our painter at the time -Mick - tried using trizact at the suggestion of our supplier. We bought a palm sander and the discs and his first try was on a landcruiser he had just painted. He went right over the whole car with( i think) 3000 after giving it a wet rub with 1500 grit. Afterwards the whole body was full of those "Curly Q`s". He had to wet rub it again with 2000 grit to get rid of them. Gave up on trizact at that point. Thing is, in the video i see he was spraying water on the panel. Not sure whether Mick was doing that.

Couple of weeks back had a conversation with a friend who works as a detailer for a large panel/paint business who do lots of insurance work. His job is to do the final buffing and cleaning of the cars before they are returned to the owners. He absolutely swears by trizact. Might ask him to come down one day and show us how to use it properly.

He also told me another " trick of the trade" they use. When cars come to him from the painter he quite often finds those pesky pin holes in the paint. This is caused by outgassing from the finish below the topcoats and is very common in 2 pak paint jobs. He was using a filler type wax to hide them until a supplier told him another way to get rid of them. Just a little dob of super glue in the pin hole, followed by a quick wet rub, then machine polish and they are gone!  :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on April 08, 2013, 09:00:44 AM
No worries. I thought it was quite detailed and well explained. Easy to follow even for a newb to it all like me.

That's a good trick with the superglue. I guess in a shop where time is the factor, issues like that ("solvent pop" I think they also call it?) will be a pain to deal with. Handy trick to tuck away in the knowledge bank  :thumb:

I also liked how he said it was good for 3 panels per piece of paper. Gives you a good rough idea on what you would need to order. I've had difficulty finding that sort of info as it's a bit like how long is a piece of string when it comes to just how much consumables you will need and use.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on April 08, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Hey Rocket
did you take note of the pressure advised by the bloke in the 3M vid? Certainly needed that pressure to cut my water marks out of the ute lid. Also #M perfectit extra cut compound.

Also let you know here I go back to work for a few weeks starting on Friday.
Jack
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 09, 2013, 10:21:38 AM
Hi Jack, Yes... He said to apply enough pressure to flatten out the waffles on the pad  - same as you told me last week. :thumb:

You can`t get enough work in can you :smile01: Hope you remember how to set the alarm clock :grin:

When i retire - I aint going back! Will do plenty of this  :cheers: and plenty of this  :burnout:

Have fun!

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 17, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
Hi Guys

Here is a great thread which compares different sealants (around 60 of them)

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=85205 (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=85205)


John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 17, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
jlao6, thanks for the Link. I followed that Thread a few years back and thoroughly enjoyed it.

It helped me to gain an opinion and led to buying ChemGuys Jetseal109 Sealant, which is fantastic.

Here is a copy and paste of the results of that test -

Originally Posted by Finerdetails View Post
OK guys, time has pasted, we have seen one of the coldest and longest periods of weather since 1986, apparently.....

Review, 12th January 2009:

The last review was start of Nov, and today was a huge task just to wash the horsebox, I used over 175 litres!

Test orignally started 10th Sept, with second group added 18th, week later. Reviews took place at 8th Oct and 1st Nov 2008.

After 4 months, the following sealants are still protecting the paintwork:

Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection
Chemical Guys: M-Seal, Jetseal 109, Speed Amor
Klasse AIO and Sealant Glaze
Hi Temp Paste
Zaino AIO, Z2 and Z5
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Sealant.

So there you have it, my final list of what lasted four months in very extreme conditions too.

I am sorry to say I shall not be conducting any further reviews, the time is no longer available. Due to the amopunt of failures and the appearance of the horsebox there is also now a need to get it all stripped back and restored to its previous glory.

Thank you to everyone who has followed this, and I hope it has proved as useful to you, as it has to me.


After conducting my own test, I came to the conclusion that preparation - eg machine polishing is all important. There was not a big difference in results with the different waxes or sealants, in fact my findings were that DP MaxWax at a cost of $40 is all that is needed when using a Wax, or Jetseal 109 if you prefer a Sealant.

For those who prefer to spend lots of money on a Wax, my favourite is Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Wax, but that is going to cost around $200.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 17, 2013, 08:10:36 PM
Hi Rocket

Can you give us a quick list of the products you use and recommend as im planning to buy a flex 3401vrg and i want to know which products you would buy with this. From reading your post is the following all that is needed?

Menzerna
JetSeal 109
DP Max WAx ( do you use Jetseal and MaxWax  in combination or do you just use one of them when you detail?)
Iron X wheel cleaner
Lake country Orange/Green/White/Grey 6.5'
Chem Guys Citrus wash

cheers
John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 18, 2013, 09:34:13 AM
Hi jlao6, Great choice of Polishing machine. The Flex is excellent. Check out this photo -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/070.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/070.jpg.html)


You will need the following -
Citrus Wash and Gloss from ChemGuys - always wash the car before and after polishing
Quick Detailer - We use ChemGuys Speed Wipe. Best to buy in the gallon size, then dilute it 50/50 with water. Very economical
Clay and Lube - Best practice is to clay before polishing
Microfibre Cloths - You will need plenty. We just buy them in lots of 25 from Supacheap ( the orange ones). Cost can vary so buy when on special for around $30
Also worth buying a little chair on wheels - Normally available from Supacheap for about $30
Menzerna Polish - The following are the ones i use -


(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/022.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/022.jpg.html)

The Chair on wheels
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/089.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/089.jpg.html)


The Pads i currently use are the Lake Country CCS Pads in Orange, Green, White and Grey 6.5" -as you wrote, but i do intend on buying bulk quantities of the Diamond Faced Pads from China in the future if i can get them at a good price.

You will also need to clean your pads. If you are married forget about using the washing machine. I use DP Polishing Pad Rejuvenator -


(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/091.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/091.jpg.html)


The Menzerna Polish and Pad Rejuvenator can be purchased through Antonio at Waxit. See the first page of this Thread, second post down for info on discounts from Waxit and ChemGuys.

It is a personal choice whether to use wax or a sealant after polishing. If you have plenty of time i would suggest 3 coats of Jetseal 109, followed by one coat of DP MaxWax, otherwise just a couple of coats of MaxWax which would be a lot quicker.

Hope that helps. For a bit more info have a look through my photobucket album -


http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing)
or slideshow
http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/slideshow/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/slideshow/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing)



That is about all i can think of at the moment.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 18, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Thanks for all your help Rocket!! :cheers:

By the way you may want to check out this link for microfiber cloths. It is a 36 pack from amazon with great reviews. It is $44 delivered and it works out cheaper when you buy in bulk. It recieved 4.4 stars out of 373 reviews

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XECJES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XECJES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

Also, the foam pads from china do you recommend the 7' for the flex or is the 6' suitable in diameter to the backing pad?


Regards
John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 18, 2013, 11:23:49 AM
Also this chamois has great reviews. I believe its made in Japan $11

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AY69V/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER#productDetails (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AY69V/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER#productDetails)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
Thanks for all your help Rocket!! :cheers:

By the way you may want to check out this link for microfiber cloths. It is a 36 pack from amazon with great reviews. It is $44 delivered and it works out cheaper when you buy in bulk. It recieved 4.4 stars out of 373 reviews

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XECJES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XECJES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)


Regards
John

That looks really good. Before I buy a set, and if others are interested, maybe a group buy might save on some post?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2013, 11:42:51 AM
I just went through and 5 lots will cost $72.29 to post. That's about $14 each. Plus they'd have to be posted out to each person once they arrive which would cost, if they will fit in a 3kg bag, $13.40.

Doing it that way doesn't really make it beneficial.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on May 18, 2013, 12:05:50 PM
I just went through and 5 lots will cost $72.29 to post. That's about $14 each. Plus they'd have to be posted out to each person once they arrive which would cost, if they will fit in a 3kg bag, $13.40.

Doing it that way doesn't really make it beneficial.

Thoughts?

Is that an overnight bag?
What about slow postage inside OZ?
If a group buy happens i will be in it.
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
No, it's not, Steve. Aus Post have recently upped their prices and that is now just a standard 3kg pre-paid bag. I'm not even sure they'd fit in it?

I did just find these, not sure how much we could get them for with the make an offer. Work out about par with the Amazon ones. What are they like though?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BULK-LOT-36-X-VIKING-MICROFIBRE-CLEANING-CLOTHS-30X40-/121105076168?pt=AU_Wholesale_Lots_Home&hash=item1c326ccfc8 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BULK-LOT-36-X-VIKING-MICROFIBRE-CLEANING-CLOTHS-30X40-/121105076168?pt=AU_Wholesale_Lots_Home&hash=item1c326ccfc8)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 22, 2013, 02:37:31 AM
Hey Rocket

Have you personally used the Rupes LHR21E or the LHR15E? If so how would you compare this to the Flex? There are many forums comparing these machines and i just want to know your input and which one you would personally recommend.

Thanks
John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 22, 2013, 07:13:45 AM
Hi jlao6, I have not used the Rupes Bigfoot, but would certainly like to give it a go.

The massive 21mm throw of the LHR21E makes it very fast to polish a car from what i have been reading, but that same 21 mm throw means you must be very careful when working near mirrors, mouldings etc. to avoid damage. Think i would prefer to try the LHR15E because it would be a bit safer to use with a throw of 15mm. The Flex has a throw of 8mm.

Rupes have had an excellent reputation in the crash repair trade for many years so i would not doubt the quality of the Bigfoot, but there has been some criticism about the lack of power having only a 500 watt motor. In fact if you read the following Link comparing the two, author( Polish Doc ) wrote that he bogged down the Bigfoot when using it. You would not bog down the Flex -

 http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8172-Rupes-LHR-21E-Big-Foot-VS-Flex-XC-3401-VRG&highlight=Rupes (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8172-Rupes-LHR-21E-Big-Foot-VS-Flex-XC-3401-VRG&highlight=Rupes)

It must be said that there has also been a lot of criticism about the above test because Polish Doc did not use the same pads and polish on both machines.

There is a Detailer based in Wagga who uses the Bigfoot and was raving about it. I will try and find his Thread on the Detail paradise Forum.

Which one would i recommend? At this moment the Flex XC 3401 VRG. It takes longer to polish a car but is a tried and proven machine which does not bog down.

Edit- Here is a Thread from the Wagga Detailer -  http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9286-04-Monaro-2-Stage-Machine-Polish-Rupes-Bigfoot&highlight=Rupes (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9286-04-Monaro-2-Stage-Machine-Polish-Rupes-Bigfoot&highlight=Rupes)

Another where the Bigfoot was used to polish a black 67 Mustang Fastback -

http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9587-DETAIL-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Correction-amp-Detail (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?9587-DETAIL-Ford-Mustang-Fastback-Correction-amp-Detail)

By the way, i will take some photos to show how the 6"pad fits on the Flex backing plate. Look for a post here tonight.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on May 22, 2013, 08:05:14 AM
Well I'll be finshing up at work some time in July, in any case Gavin and I will be setting up shop just doing classic paint &  body work. One of the first cars looks like being a 1950 Humber Super snipe Pullman limo, full bare metal repair and paint in Black COB, he wants it perfect, same guy has a similar vintage Bentley that was restored 20 years ago, needs a tidy up. Interesting to see the results on the black 67, well I guess that will be the deal on the Humber big car, alot work alot polishing I suspect. The car still has original black finish from new, been parked since a run in with a tram, hasn't been trams in Brisbane since the 60's.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 22, 2013, 10:04:38 PM
shaunp, Congratulations on the new venture. I am sure with your knowledge, expertise and attention to detail you and Gavin will quickly have more work than you can handle :thumb:

It might pay you to buy a Flex XC 3401 VRG to use in conjunction with your rotary. It really does a superb job in finishing down the paintwork and will make that black paint absolutely gleam on the Humber.

The paint on that 67 Mustang Fastback was shocking. You see that story quite often on the detailing forums where the painter does a good paint job but then ruins it with bad buffing techniques. I wonder how many of them hand the car over to the workshop trainee after buffing only to have the trainee use an old rag to do the washing and rubs in a circular motion thus introducing swirls into the soft fresh paint.

I have lost count of the number of times i have informed people to wash their car with a chenille or sheepskin  mitt only and use "up and down"  or "side to side" motion when washing, only to look at them do the job using swirl inducing circular motions.

A couple of months ago i witnessed a very experienced panel beater waxing a car. He was using small circular motions to apply the wax. I just walked away shaking my head. :ouch:

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on May 23, 2013, 07:03:37 AM
Who sells the flex units. Rocket. I'll get one for the Black car.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 23, 2013, 07:40:13 AM
Hi shaunp, You can buy the Flex from Waxit. I see they have dropped the price down to $600. I paid $640 for my first Flex and i think around $700 for the second one.

 Here is the Link -

http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=524&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=31&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 (http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=524&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=31&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

You used to be able to buy it for about $460 delivered from the USA, but jusTang found recently that the shipping price had increased to the point it is now about the same as buying local.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on May 25, 2013, 03:05:45 PM
Hi Rocket

is the FLEX PE14-2-150 hard to use for beginners? or is it recommended that i buy the flex xc 3401vrg first

John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on May 25, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
Hi Rocket

is the FLEX PE14-2-150 hard to use for beginners? or is it recommended that i buy the flex xc 3401vrg first

John


Hi John, Yes - The Flex Rotary is very difficult for a beginner. It would feel like an out of control monster in your hands. :grin:

When i first used the Flex PE14 Rotary it was jumping all over the place on me. Only took about 5 minutes of that before i changed back to the Flex XC 3401 VRG.

But it did get easier to use the PE14 after a while. I learnt to put a little bit of bias toward the front of the machine which stopped it from jumping all over the place. Also cutting the speed
down helped a bit. By spreading the polish on speed1 then increasing to speeds 2-3 i found it easier to control. It is certainly a lot faster to polish a car using a Rotary polisher.

I think it gets down to your intended use for the machine. If you are only doing a few cars now and again i would stick to the XC 3401 VRG. It is so easy to use as long as you keep it moving slowly over the paint surface. It is hard to burn through the paint even for a beginner.

There is a very high risk that a newby to Rotary polishers will burn through the paint. You only need to go over an edge to burn through the paint in a fraction of a second. That could be very embarrasing and costly if you damage another persons car through inexperience with a Rotary.

On the other hand if you are going to polish a lot of cars you would find the XC 3401 VRG would be too slow after a while. The professionals would use a Rotary to do the first couple of stages then change over to the Flex XC 3401 VRG for the last stage in order to eliminate any holograms or buffer trails that a Rotary can leave behind.

Here is a Link to a Thread on the Autogeek Forums where the Flex PE14-2-150 is discussed. Read and absorb Mike Phillip`s remarks.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/circular-polishers-rotary-polishers-high-speed-polisher/33127-worth-get-new-flex-pe14-2-150-a.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/circular-polishers-rotary-polishers-high-speed-polisher/33127-worth-get-new-flex-pe14-2-150-a.html)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on July 20, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Hey Rod
FYI peanut butter is definitely good for more than spreading on bread  :pepper:

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on July 20, 2013, 07:00:58 PM
Hi Jack, Have you been busy polishing?

I assume you mean the peanut butter was used to remove dried polish from areas where it had gathered around door frames, bonnet edges, boot lid edges etc?  Or have you found some other use for it?   :grin:

Hmmm..... Is it any good as a sealant? It has been pissing down here and I am not sure whether there is more water outside or inside the bathroom walls. :ouch:

On the plus side we now have LED Downlights in the bathroom, laundry and toilet. You can now see when you pee :thumb:

Oh.. I finally managed to use that $180 Telstra Mobile Broadband voucher, and the internet is working ok.

Rocket. 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Brumby1 on July 21, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
Hey Rocket

Not polishing yet. I got an expert wants to polish the red car and I am happy to let him. Just replacing some bright stuff that Jeremy got for me. Polish was rock hard around and underneath. prewash and mist and wipe seemed to make it harder. Peanut butter softened and got it off immediately.

 Dunno about sealant. Give it a try if you like. Ants and euro wasps probly like it tho.  :pepper:

LED lighting is good. Been meaning to change mine for a long time now.  Have a stack I have been meaning to put under the side verandah since before I retired. And in the interior of the red car and perhaps the tail lights.

Now you are using the voucher the closer you are on having to buy a new one.  :grin:

Passed up on Tununda so I will be here for some time yet  :evilone:

Jack
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on August 09, 2013, 12:41:17 AM
Hey Rocket

What are your thoughts regards opti coat? apparently from what i read on the forums it lasts a long time as it adds a permanent layer of coating on top of the clear coat.

http://www.optimumcarcare.com.au/product/13/about_opti-coat_paint_protection.html (http://www.optimumcarcare.com.au/product/13/about_opti-coat_paint_protection.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on August 09, 2013, 08:13:08 AM
jlao6, When it was first released a few years back, there was a big song and dance about it requiring professional car detailers to apply it correctly. That seems to have fallen by the wayside now, maybe because it has been around for a while and its properties are better known.

The important thing from what I have read is to apply it over a prepared surface eg - freshly clayed and buffed to remove impurities, swirls etc first.

Check out the below Link from Autogeek -
 
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/43359-optimum-opti-coat-2-0-permanent-paint-protection-made-easy.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/43359-optimum-opti-coat-2-0-permanent-paint-protection-made-easy.html)

The above article makes it all sound so easy to use, but remember this is a retailer flogging their product. If anybody does want to try it out, perhaps use it on a cheaper daily driver first to make sure you can apply it successfully.

I will do some homework on the detailing forums to find some more info about it

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: BLU302 on August 09, 2013, 09:46:05 AM
Hi Rocket,
While it's still cool I'm thinking about doing some polishing and detailing on the Mustang and also my BMW.
The Beemer is Silver ( but with a clear coat). Should I use the same polishes that I use on the Mustang ?
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on August 09, 2013, 10:57:23 AM
Thanks Rocket, Here is a link on the durability test for the opticoat for anyone interested. http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/126661-grand-finale-optimum-opti-coating-durability-test-review.html (http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/126661-grand-finale-optimum-opti-coating-durability-test-review.html)   

What products do you guys use for your carpets, wheels (tyre / rim), leather seats, engine bay? Also, this is a highly rated quick detailer https://www.zas.com.au/product/327/finish_kare_fk_425_ultra_slick_poly_wipe_spray_detailer_3.8l.html (https://www.zas.com.au/product/327/finish_kare_fk_425_ultra_slick_poly_wipe_spray_detailer_3.8l.html)

For anyone purchasing products overseas you might want to look into getting the 28 degrees mastercard. There is no international transaction fees, currecny conversion fees, annual fee. Plus it has price protection and merchandise protection.  I found it to be very close to market rates

The price protection will return the difference back to you if you find the product advertised at the same store purchased(Within australia only) within the first 6 months.

The merchandise protection will cover lost, damage, stolen articles for 6 months after purchasing( it has to be a new product) the product and covers items purchased from overseas. This insurance costs 0.5% of the closing balance. What i found it that if you pay it your balance before the statement date you dont pay the insurance cost.

I highly recommend this card for people purchasing car products overseas or any item overseas. It was voted best credit card by Choice magazine. If you want more info about it read the forums https://www.google.com.au/search?q=28+degrees+ozbargain&rlz=1C1LENN_enAU473AU473&oq=28+degree+ozbar&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2j69i62.14810j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=28+degrees+ozbargain&rlz=1C1LENN_enAU473AU473&oq=28+degree+ozbar&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2j69i62.14810j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on August 11, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
Just wanted to say the Waxit discount offer is still working well. I hope others haven't forgotten about it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on August 14, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
I placed my order late Sunday night. First thing Wednesday morning I had the bits at my door. This is my second order with Waxit and again I'm impressed.  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on August 28, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
After reading this whole thread I decided to purchase my own kit. Problem is I've done 4 family cars and still not mine. Suits me at this stage as I'm practising on their cars first. My question is how do you get bird poo off the car. I have used the clay bar, polish with no luck. The bird poo was left on the car for about 5 weeks and it seeems that it is etched into the paint. Any ideas?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on August 28, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
Looks like the waxit coupon code no longer works.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on August 28, 2013, 08:28:06 PM
I got an email from them tonight.

"New Waxit Car Care Site! 15% Off First Purchase!

In this brand new site, for security reasons, we couldn't transfer passwords, but we have all your other details. All you will need to do is update your password.

Click the link to see a picture tutorial and a quick one minute video on how to create a new password.
 
Once you have updated your account or if you are a new to waxit and would like to create a brand new account you will be able to use the coupon.

It is a one time use coupon so stock up on all your detailing supplies! The Coupon Expires on the 1st of October so be quick!"
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on August 28, 2013, 09:00:53 PM
Even the machine polishers works with the code! that's awesome, i wonder if they will be able to provide us a new coupon code such as 15% storewide for us forum members as the old code is now retired .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on August 28, 2013, 09:06:07 PM
After reading this whole thread I decided to purchase my own kit. Problem is I've done 4 family cars and still not mine. Suits me at this stage as I'm practising on their cars first. My question is how do you get bird poo off the car. I have used the clay bar, polish with no luck. The bird poo was left on the car for about 5 weeks and it seeems that it is etched into the paint. Any ideas?

Bugger! Bird Poo is acidic, so I think you are correct in that it is now etched into the paint. You could try lightly wet rubbing with a bit of 1200 grit, followed by machine polishing. This should make it less noticeable - but it will still be there.

Make sure to keep plenty of wax or sealant on the paint, which should stop the bird poo etching into your paint in future.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on September 14, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
Hi Rocket, I thought this product review might interest you.

http://www.spiuserforum.com/showthread.php?2832-SPI-Matte-Black (http://www.spiuserforum.com/showthread.php?2832-SPI-Matte-Black)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on September 14, 2013, 02:08:42 PM
Hi Ash, Yes... Sure does.

Found out how hard it is to clean Matt Black at the Perth Nationals. Matt Black on the bonnets of the Mach1`s kept on streaking when we cleaned them. The Wizard product should overcome that.

One of the seasoned veterans at the Nationals suggested using window cleaner on the blackouts because it evaporates off the surface instead of leaving streaks as it dries.

The SPI Forum is full of good info about paint and panel. Thanks - added to favourites.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: kaanage on September 15, 2013, 07:40:10 PM
Hi all

First up, I'd like to say that I don't own a Mustang (although they are my all time favourite American car) but I've gleaned so much information from this thread (particularly from rocket - the polishing guru) that I felt I had to contribute back a bit.

Based on rocket's assessment, I bought one of the ZFE Dual Action polisher kits on eBay. The best thing is that they now have a local eBay store (based in Kogarah, Queeensland) so there is hope for local support and the shipping charges are lower than if bought over Alibaba (http://stores.ebay.com.au/ZFE-STORES-AU?_rdc=1 (http://stores.ebay.com.au/ZFE-STORES-AU?_rdc=1)).

I began my paint correction experience today (well, I did use a big rotary polisher years ago to tidy up a previous car but that was a decade ago) with the ZFE polisher, the flat orange pads and Chemical Guys V32 polish (similar in cutting power to Menzerna FG500, I believe) on my friend's red XF panel van. The paint on the roof and bonnet had gone all chalky so after cleaning the car, I clayed the bonnet to get rid of years of paint and other gunk from building sites and then I polished half the bonnet while he used a cutting wax on the other side. After working out that I wasn't going to damage the paintwork, I sped up the polisher and put some pressure on and it cleaned up surprisingly well. I ended up polishing half the panel van and used a wool pad to buff out the cutting wax used on the other half. My friend was very sceptical about how much difference (if any) the polishing would make but the difference vs the cutting wax was staggering, especially in sunlight.

With that under my belt, I polished the bonnet on my car (after a full clean and then IPA wipedown of the bonnet) which was annoying me due to some scratches and swirls. I used the V32 using the wavy orange pad (since I'd used up the flat ones) and finished it off with Chemical Guys V36 (similar to Menzerna PF2500) on a wavy black pad. The paint on my car (a VW Polo) has a very hard clearcoat so I had to be quite aggressive with the V32 but it did the job on the scratches/swirls and the V36 left it looking like a wavy mirror (with factory orange peel that would need sanding to remove :ouch:).

Anyway, I thought my experience + the eBay store would be useful to some of you

Greg
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on September 16, 2013, 02:31:15 PM
Does anyone have any tips on where they get 3M Trizact 3000 150mm discs? I went to a larger supplies store and they wanted over $7 a disc.

I've just ordered some more velour backed discs from The Sandpaper man in similar grades and finer and he charges $3.27 a disc. Big price price difference compared to 3M but would still like to get some.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: peter9231 on September 16, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
The sandpaper man sounds like a Super Hero
Peter.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on September 16, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
Does anyone have any tips on where they get 3M Trizact 3000 150mm discs? I went to a larger supplies store and they wanted over $7 a disc.

I've just ordered some more velour backed discs from The Sandpaper man in similar grades and finer and he charges $3.27 a disc. Big price price difference compared to 3M but would still like to get some.

Ash, Just had a look in the car factory to see if we have any, but it appears not.
If you like i will ask Luke to get a price from our supplier in the morning. How many discs are you wanting?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on September 16, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Ash, Just had a look in the car factory to see if we have any, but it appears not.
If you like i will ask Luke to get a price from our supplier in the morning. How many discs are you wanting?

Rocket.

That'd be excellent, Rocket. Appreciate the offer  :thumb:

I asked the supplies store for a box. I will probably only need a few discs but thought if the price was decent for a box, I'd grab that and put the rest aside as I'll need them for some paint jobs before too long.

I'm cleaning up and polishing a set of mags for my F-truck. I have a new set of tyres coming for them this week but it'll be a few weeks before they need to be fitted to the truck due to other repairs I need to do.

I can get 2 x 50mm and 2 x 75mm cut-outs out of each 150mm disc. So it goes a long way.

I stated on one today but only had enough to get up to 2000 grit.

This is what they were like when I got them

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/F150/IMAG5943_zps8b313e5b.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/F150/IMAG5943_zps8b313e5b.jpg.html)

And this was up to 2000 grit

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/F150/IMAG5942_zps8ea79dd6.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/F150/IMAG5942_zps8ea79dd6.jpg.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on September 16, 2013, 09:19:56 PM
Is there a supplier (prefer Sydney) where I can purchase bulk metal polish. At the moment I'm using brasso at $8 a tin(250ml). Using this to polish aluminium at work. Not looking at anything more expensive than the brasso and would prefer to buy in bulk in either 4L or 20L. I understand that you get what you pay for, but for what it is used for low cost is the go. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on September 17, 2013, 03:57:42 PM
That'd be excellent, Rocket. Appreciate the offer  :thumb:

I asked the supplies store for a box. I will probably only need a few discs but thought if the price was decent for a box, I'd grab that and put the rest aside as I'll need them for some paint jobs before too long.

I'm cleaning up and polishing a set of mags for my F-truck. I have a new set of tyres coming for them this week but it'll be a few weeks before they need to be fitted to the truck due to other repairs I need to do.

I can get 2 x 50mm and 2 x 75mm cut-outs out of each 150mm disc. So it goes a long way.

I stated on one today but only had enough to get up to 2000 grit.

This is what they were like when I got them

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/F150/IMAG5943_zps8b313e5b.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/F150/IMAG5943_zps8b313e5b.jpg.html)

And this was up to 2000 grit

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/F150/IMAG5942_zps8ea79dd6.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/F150/IMAG5942_zps8ea79dd6.jpg.html)

Ash, Those wheels are coming up a treat. Great work!\

I have had Luke check into the Trizact. Not good news unfortunately. Our supplier uses a brand called Mirka - not 3M. They list 1,000, 2,000 and 4,000 grit only - No listing for 3,000 at all. Prices are  $5.17 per disc plus GST = $5.68 per disc total with minimum quantity of 25
Luke said that in his prior life in crash shops they only ever used the 1, 2,and 4 thousand grit.

I did a google search and saw that Workmate Abrasives also sell Mirka sandpapers - might also be worth checking them out unless it mus be the 3M brand.


UPDATE - Luke spoke with another Supplier who suggested to try Complete Coating Solutions, 8 Duncan Rd Dry Creek SA ph 08 82624414 His contact suggested going direct is best and mentioned 20 discs for $83.60. He thinks they carry the 3,000 grit too.
Website -   http://completecoating.com.au/contact.html#sa (http://completecoating.com.au/contact.html#sa)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on September 17, 2013, 04:04:44 PM
Is there a supplier (prefer Sydney) where I can purchase bulk metal polish. At the moment I'm using brasso at $8 a tin(250ml). Using this to polish aluminium at work. Not looking at anything more expensive than the brasso and would prefer to buy in bulk in either 4L or 20L. I understand that you get what you pay for, but for what it is used for low cost is the go. Thanks in advance.

A google search brought up the following - ( searched for Metal Polish Bulk )

http://www.rubbedin.com.au/Product/11/The-Magic-Range/Metal-Magic- (http://www.rubbedin.com.au/Product/11/The-Magic-Range/Metal-Magic-)

http://autosol.com.au/autosol-msds.html (http://autosol.com.au/autosol-msds.html)

Might pay you to make some phone calls.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on September 17, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
Ash, Those wheels are coming up a treat. Great work!\

I have had Luke check into the Trizact. Not good news unfortunately. Our supplier uses a brand called Mirka - not 3M. They list 1,000, 2,000 and 4,000 grit only - No listing for 3,000 at all. Prices are  $5.17 per disc plus GST = $5.68 per disc total with minimum quantity of 25
Luke said that in his prior life in crash shops they only ever used the 1, 2,and 4 thousand grit.

I did a google search and saw that Workmate Abrasives also sell Mirka sandpapers - might also be worth checking them out unless it mus be the 3M brand.


UPDATE - Luke spoke with another Supplier who suggested to try Complete Coating Solutions, 8 Duncan Rd Dry Creek SA ph 08 82624414 His contact suggested going direct is best and mentioned 20 discs for $83.60. He thinks they carry the 3,000 grit too.
Website -   http://completecoating.com.au/contact.html#sa (http://completecoating.com.au/contact.html#sa)

Rocket.

Rocket, thank you very much for going to the effort for me. Say thank you to Luke also for the advice  :thumb:

And cheers, I'm happy with how the wheels are turning out. Should be quite good when done.

It looks like 3M is excluding themselves due to price. It was Autolac that I went in Newcastle and they had a substitute brand also. I didn't take it as I wasn't sure about it. I'll get back in touch with them and see what the brand name was.

I have this other order from The Sandpaper man coming and I got a range up to 4000 grit. The biggest difference that I can see with it compared to the 3m was that the 3M Trizact has a foam backing and it shaped itself quite nicely to the curves. Whereas The Sandpaper Man's discs are the typical flat type.
The foam backing worked very well when I was polishing the last job I did, a brass/copper fire extinguisher. I thought it would also help with all the curves and corners on these wheels.

I'll give Complete Coating Solutions a try also, as per Luke's info. 20 discs for $83.60 seems quite good.

Thanks again  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on September 19, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
Went for ChemGuys jetseal 109
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/1969%20Mustang%20Grande/156.jpg)
Hi Rod
Just curious, have u tried the Jetseal109 on chrome or stainless ?
If so , what were the results ?
What are people using to polish chrome ?
Tried the purple but found it hard to remove.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on September 19, 2013, 05:59:04 PM
Hi Michael, No I have not used Jetseal 109 on Chrome, but probably worth a try.

I found Autosol quite good on Chrome and have also used Purple which I also thought was ok. Agree it took a fair bit of rubbing and the cloth became black very quickly.

Are you getting your Mustang ready for Summer Cruising?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: chopmgw on September 20, 2013, 02:16:54 AM
Are you getting your Mustang ready for Summer Cruising?
Amongst other things.
Will have to pop in for a chat.
Been awhile.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 03, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
Hi guys... It has been a while! Have not touched a machine polisher since last summer because of burning knee syndrome. Bugger! Getting restless to get back into it.

Have been checking out the detailing forums and came across an excellent thread on the autogeek forum. The subject car is from the dark side - a Camaro - but check it out anyway -

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/71507-show-shine-black-69-camaro-ss-pro-touring.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/71507-show-shine-black-69-camaro-ss-pro-touring.html)

A very good read. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
I was looking at places to purchase a Flex from over the weekend but was concerned about buying from overseas and the voltage and etc possible issues. Here the price is still quite high. This morning though I received an email from Waxit with a promo on their Concours 900. Not sure if anyone else did? Is the Flex worth the extra money for a home hobby? This is a good discount on the Concours at the moment

http://waxit.com.au/p/8738855/machine-polish-stage-1---simplified-.html (http://waxit.com.au/p/8738855/machine-polish-stage-1---simplified-.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2013, 11:33:52 AM
Hi Ash, I believe you would be looking around the $650 mark to buy a Flex here.

The Export model from overseas is now on the autogeek site for $430 plus shipping. They are obviously looking after the aussie distributor because it will cost over $200 to get it shipped from the USA. Pointless exercise now -
http://www.autogeek.net/flex-230-volt-polisher.html (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-230-volt-polisher.html)

If you only intend to use it very occasionally - the Concours is probably the way to go. At $265 for the kit that is pretty good value.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2013, 11:46:22 AM
Hi Rocket,

At $200 post, it's not worth it, I agree. the Concours is looking attractive.

I did find this but I'm not sure on the voltage? Perhaps for that price, it is worth just using a step-up/step-down power converter/transformer which I have one of.

http://www.chemicalguys.com/FLEX_L3403_VRG_professional_lightweight_rotary_buf_p/buf_l3403vr_kit.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/FLEX_L3403_VRG_professional_lightweight_rotary_buf_p/buf_l3403vr_kit.htm)

I also found an old link in this thread to this. They are quoting $102 for postage. But this is still double the price of the Concours.

http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt (http://www.toolking.com/flex-xc3401vrgcee-variable-speed-dual-action-orbital-polisher-230-volt)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2013, 11:48:46 AM
Sorry, wrong link for the Flex. That was a rotary.

Here's the DA

http://www.chemicalguys.com/FChemical_Guys_BUF_101_3KIT_Flex_Complete_Pad_Kit_p/buf_101.3kit.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/FChemical_Guys_BUF_101_3KIT_Flex_Complete_Pad_Kit_p/buf_101.3kit.htm)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 11, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
Yes... That price of $345 at Chemguys is seriously good. Might be worth emailing them to find out if they can supply the 230 volt export model at that price - and check their shipping price at the same time.

Jack and Mark (mwizz) both bought their Flex polishers from ToolKing. At $532 delivered that is not a bad price. The Flex really is a kick@rse polisher.

There is also another polishing machine to consider. Check out via google the Rupes Bigfoot. It has been around now for a year or so and is getting good reviews. It has a throw of 21mm and is a lot quicker to polish a car than the Flex which has an 8mm throw. Of course you have to be very careful around mirrors and mouldings with the 21mm throw of the bigfoot.

I saw on the Chemguys link the American version of the bigfoot has a 15mm throw - much better - and safer. Link -

http://www.chemicalguys.com/Rupes_LHR_15ES_Big_Foot_Random_Orbital_Polisher_p/buf_101.7.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Rupes_LHR_15ES_Big_Foot_Random_Orbital_Polisher_p/buf_101.7.htm)

Ash, when all is said and done the Concours machine is going to do the job - especially if you are only going to use it once or twice a year.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2013, 12:46:13 PM
I emailed Chemguys over the weekend but being their weekend still I have not received a reply as yet. Maybe tomorrow.

Am also waiting on a reply from a friend of my wife who is in Texas may be able to forward it for me. Will see what these two come back with and then see if they can supply a 230volt model.

At that price I'd be inclined to go the Flex. Otherwise the Concours is looking likely. As you said, it'll only be used every so often.

I just watched the vid on the Rupes Bigfoot. I think as a beginner I'd stick with the 8mm throw and take my time. The thought of burning through or damaging fresh paint is scaring the hell out of me.

Thanks, Rocket, for the feedback  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 11, 2013, 02:04:10 PM
Ash,
I have a 240/110v transformer that i used with a HUGE HP 8500 A3 colour printer.
big and heavy with long leads.
I will check out the rating tonight when i get home.
If you need it its yours.
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 11, 2013, 02:26:59 PM
Hi Steve,

That's a very generous offer. Thank you. It sounds like it would more than easily perform the task.

This is the one that I have, very similar anyway. I grabbed it a while ago when I was buying new woodworking tools as I was looking at some Festool Domino sets. I never ended up getting one so haven't needed to use it.

http://www.videooverseas.com/seven-star-tc-1500-step-up-step-down-transformer-1500w.html (http://www.videooverseas.com/seven-star-tc-1500-step-up-step-down-transformer-1500w.html)

I'll see which buffer I end up getting and will get in touch if yours may come handy.

Thanks again  :thumb:
 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2013, 06:21:05 PM
Rocket, how's this price per unit? Think we could make up 10 people for a group buy?  :grin:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/125471736/Flex_XC_3401_VRG_Orbital_Polisher.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/125471736/Flex_XC_3401_VRG_Orbital_Polisher.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: malscar on November 12, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
Would be a little suspicious about that one Ash. He last logged on over a year ago.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
But Mr Paul Edwin sounds like an authentic Indonesian name.  :grin:

It's not looking the most legitimate is it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 12, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
Authentic Scammer sounds about right :kickass:

Unfortunately you have to be very careful on that site.

You getting any closer to decision time Ash?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 12, 2013, 07:25:07 PM
I've looked quite a few times on that site, you got me onto it, Rocket. But often the quantities are too high or it just seems a little too dodgy.

I didn't get any replies from either Chemguys or my wife's friend in Texas. I thought about calling Chemguys but missed the opening hours by the time I got home. See if I get a reply tomorrow.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: scedd1 on November 13, 2013, 05:44:25 AM
Ash,
Have you looked at the ZTE machines that Rocket got us in the bulk buy about 200 pages back in this thread.
I certainly have no complaints about mine and it makes the Commodore nice and shiny.
It doesnt work very well on Hiluxes but does a very impressive job on BMW's
(That might be more of an operator issue :grin: :grin: :grin:)
Steve
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 13, 2013, 08:33:08 AM
I think you need to get rid of the Hilux, Steve. Can't have a dud amongst the rest. That job wouldn't be directly related to beer consumption would it?  :grin:

I do remember the bulk buy you guys did on the ZTE. I can't remember the final price of them though. I do remember the pads they came with were not up to it compared with other pads available from what Rocket did in his test.

I'm still waiting on a reply about postage. If I have no luck with the Chemguys, I'll go the Concours from Waxit. That price seems pretty good for the package.

Speaking of Waxit, does anybody know about the discount we had with them on their old site, has it been updated or anything?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 13, 2013, 09:54:56 AM
I rang Chemguys and then sent an email as he was having trouble with my accent in writing down my details.  :shrug:

They have quoted $80 for postage. Am happy with that.

I also asked about the 230v unit but as expected, two questions per email is too much effort. I didn't get a reply to that. Will assume they don't have it.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 13, 2013, 03:03:12 PM
Hi Ash, The $80 for shipping is very good, but personally I am not convinced that buying your Flex from the USA is a good idea if it is not the 230 volt export model.

I will check out the UK Detailing World Forum and see if any of their suppliers might have the Flex at a good price. I believe the UK uses similar voltage to our power requirements

EDIT - Checked out the UK. No good. Dearer to buy over there.

Did find this on Amazon - but it is not the Export Model -

http://www.amazon.com/FLEX-XC3401-Orbital-Polisher-Intro/dp/B002623WBE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2 (http://www.amazon.com/FLEX-XC3401-Orbital-Polisher-Intro/dp/B002623WBE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2)

Rod Rocket is a bit excited today!  :smile01:

Receive a parcel from fedex this morning -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02852.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02852.jpg.html)

Some new polishing pads and pad cleaner from Autogeek. it was what was in this box that has me excited -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02854.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02854.jpg.html)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02857.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02857.jpg.html)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02855.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02855.jpg.html)

Yep.... Some Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Wax. Love this wax!

For those that remember the Wax test I conducted back in 2009 - Wolfgang Fuzion was my No.1 Wax, followed closely by DP MaxWax.

Problem is, the Fuzion is a $200 Wax. So I have been using the $40 DP MaxWax instead because i used the last of my Fuzion to Wax the 2 Mach 1`s in Perth at the Nationals.

Guess who is going to be a busy boy?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 13, 2013, 04:54:24 PM
Hi Rocket,

I placed an order with them today but it is proving to be a difficult task. After 14 emails back and forward, they still have my address wrong on the order confirmation and still haven't forwarded the payment details to me.

At first I thought it was a issue with the language barrier over the phone. Now I'm not sure if there is a break down in communication amongst their own staff too.

That one in the link from Amazon wont post to Aus. But this one here does. I thought I tried it the other day but now it is saying it will post. :shrug:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DB0NVG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DB0NVG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

This is what it is quoting total

Items:    AUD 390.93
Shipping & handling:    AUD 34.64
Total before tax:    AUD 425.57
Estimated tax to be collected:    AUD 0.00
Order total:    AUD 425.57

Which is the same price as Chemguys but you get the pads with the deal from Chemguys so will try and complete the deal with them.

I like the box that wax comes in Rocket, very nice!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 66 Hertz on November 13, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
Hey Rocket, let me know if you need a car to practise on.............. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 14, 2013, 11:04:07 PM
Hey Rocket, let me know if you need a car to practise on.............. :grin: :grin: :grin:

Mr Bullpitt, I would not dare to deny you the privilege :grin: :grin:

Ash, How did it all end up?

Rocket.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 14, 2013, 11:10:27 PM
All good in the end, Rocket. Woke up to a couple of emails this morning. It's now on it's way. Will post up when it arrives. Hopefully it wont be too long before it comes out and gets used. My wife will be sure it does as it'll be her project that it get used on first.

I now have the Dewalt buffer I already had up for sale

http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,22564.0.html (http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,22564.0.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 16, 2013, 08:06:14 PM
Rocket, I was hoping to ask your advice on how much polish you use per vehicle? I need to buy some and am not sure whether to buy the smaller 250ml bottles or the larger ones. I'm just not sure how far it goes.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 16, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Hi Ash, Good to know your Flex is on the way.

If you buy the 250ml of Polish it will be enough for one car with a bit left over. I normally polish about 5 cars with each one litre bottle.

Although my doc has said NO lifting or bending till after a hernia op, today I started polishing the Gulfstream Aqua 68 Coupe. I used the Fast Gloss 500 followed by Power Finish 1000. Did not have any Clay at home. Reckon I would have been better off claying first then using PF2400, SF4000 then SF4500. Those are the three you probably should get hold of.

Rocket
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 16, 2013, 10:35:35 PM
Thanks, Rocket. I think I'll buy the 1 litre bottles. I'll need more than one cars worth.

The 3 Menzerna products that you mention, did you mean PF2500? I can find the PF2500 but not PF2400. Just want to be sure before I purchase.

Take it easy with that hernia. My Dad had quite a bit of trouble with his. Plus he is the kind of guy that can't sit still so did to much to soon as well.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 16, 2013, 11:04:06 PM
Yes.... It is the PF2500, although there is a 2400 which is the equivalent to the old PO85RD3.02 :grin:
Menzerna make excellent car polish, but ffs they really know how to screw up the names of their products. :kickass:

I have put off the op for about 4 years so I reckon another couple of months will not matter. :bolt:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 17, 2013, 09:03:32 AM
Thanks, Rocket. I found a supplier on ebay that can send all 3 for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 17, 2013, 11:27:53 AM
Thanks, Rocket. I found a supplier on ebay that can send all 3 for a reasonable price.

Now that is interesting. Can you post a Link?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 17, 2013, 12:03:53 PM
Sure. You might get a better rate being a trade customer from your supplier but I don't know. I compared them to what another seller was selling the 3M Perfect-It range for and price was very similar. Since you recommend the Menzerna, I took your advice  :thumb:

It cost me $203.40 total, they combined the 3 with free post.

PF2500
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251291363135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251291363135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649)

SF4000
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261248275622?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261248275622?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649)

SF4500
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261244226908?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261244226908?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 17, 2013, 05:03:19 PM
Hi Ash, Thanks... That price is good, especially with free shipping.

You are about to have quite a workout. :thumb:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 17, 2013, 05:46:52 PM
No worries, Rocket. Good to know I didn't pay too much.

I have some painting to do first. That's going to be a workout in itself. It's not a car for my first attempt, quite a bit smaller, a horse cart. But it still needs to come up pristine and will be good practice for the next job, my F150. That'll start as soon as I finish the cart.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 23, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
My goodies turned up yesterday  :pepper:

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG6771_zps826b3793.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG6771_zps826b3793.jpg.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 24, 2013, 04:10:55 AM
Oh yes..... That's the way to go.  Armed and ready for some serious work. :thumb:

How long before you get stuck into the horse cart?

Have had a flexciting weekend giving the 68 coupe a 4 stage menzerna polish. Have been experimenting with the coarser polishes 500 and 1000. Pushed the envelope a bit too far with the 500. Bugger! But ya gotta know the limitations!  :toetapping: :grin: :bolt:  Luke... Where are you? :grin: :grin:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 24, 2013, 08:21:19 AM
I'm keen as, Rocket. If I didn't have so many other things to do I'd have a go with it on my 66. I plugged it into the transformer to give it a test and it works well. I can tell it's going to be a comfortable machine to hold onto for long periods of time.

As for the horse cart. I have two more seat backs to finish then it's time to tidy up all the welds and start the body work for paint. We gave it it's first road test on Friday and all went very well. She'll be back out on it today as the sun is back out and she's been waiting quite some time for it to be finished.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/Horse%20cart/IMAG6764_zpsf92c156d.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/Horse%20cart/IMAG6764_zpsf92c156d.jpg.html)

How was the Menzerna 1000? At what point do you think you could start with that? What grit scratches would it remove?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 24, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
Hi Ash, You are the man! That horse cart looks fantastic. :thumb: Would think your missus is stoked with it. Hope you post some more photos of it as you go.

Found a good site for paint/sanding/polishing supplies. Check it out. Prices look very competitive -

http://stores.ebay.com.au/JEFFERSON-PAINT-SUPPLIES/Polishing-Car-Care-/_i.html?_fsub=12&_sid=104396753&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 (http://stores.ebay.com.au/JEFFERSON-PAINT-SUPPLIES/Polishing-Car-Care-/_i.html?_fsub=12&_sid=104396753&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322)

The Menzerna PG1000 is supposed to take out 1000 - 1500 grit scratches. Here is a Link from Autogeek that explains a bit about it -

http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-powergloss-compound.html (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-powergloss-compound.html)

In the past I have been very cautious about using these more aggressive polishes. You do not know how thick the top coats are on any given car so you can imagine how pissed off an owner would be if you handed back a freshly polished car where you had buffed through the top coats in any places.

Reason I tried out the 500 and 1000 was to find out just how aggressive they are. There was a post from a polishing guru on a USA Forum where he polished a 56 Chevy using the 500. Thought at the time that was a bit on the dangerous side. It is more like a cutting compound and really goes against what we are trying to do which is to remove light scratches and swirl marks, then to get the maximum possible gloss - without removing much clear coat or paint.

In future I will go no coarser than the PG1000 - and only when absolutely necessary when the 2500 will not take out the scratches and swirls. Pays to play it safe.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 24, 2013, 11:03:58 PM
Ash, Came across a Thread about a new Chinese polishing machine that I found interesting. Here is a Link -

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=322032 (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=322032)

I will follow the Thread with interest. The machine sounds pretty good so far and I believe the price is only about $200 delivered. Might get one and try it out.

Pity we did not know about it a week or so ago.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 24, 2013, 11:31:10 PM
Hi Rocket,

Thanks very much  :thumb: The wife is really impressed with the new cart. She had a good go in it today, she was gone for a couple of hours actually. She came back at one point and got the kids then took them to the park and got an ice cream. She was so excited and impressed, the smile on her face was huge.
Wont be long before school pick-ups/drop-offs happen in it. Oh, and I also have to put a tie down point for the dogs harness as she'll be going along too.

I'll be sure to post some more pics of how it progresses as it is all paint work from here on in. Here she is here heading off with one of the neighbours kids who is horse mad and often around helping out or joining in.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/Horse%20cart/IMAG6776_zps697cfe1f.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/Horse%20cart/IMAG6776_zps697cfe1f.jpg.html)

I've actually purchased from that ebay store in the past. I got a bunch of different consumables. Things like tack cloths, strainers, tape and other things. I keep an eye on them and have a bunch of their things in my watch list. They were pretty good to deal with and like you said, pretty well priced.

Thanks for that link on the Autogeek site. I think I need to sit down and read more from there. You are constantly mentioning them and I don't know why it keeps slipping my mind. I'll add them to my favourites now and do some more learning. I can see now I'm going to be in trouble for being distracted and talking too much about boring things. You should have seen her face when I spent weeks reading about TIG welding and talked about different types of tungstens or post flow or blah blah blah   :lmao: :grin:

At $200 it'd be worth a shot for that Chinese copy. Be interesting to see how they fair long term by the guys that use them often. If you do get one, post up with what you think and your comparisons. At that price it's definitely affordable. Especially if they do a good job.

Cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 25, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Ash, That rig is going to bring a smile to many children`s faces. Awesome :thumb:

Look forward to seeing more photos.

Have fun reading about the polishes.

The new Chinese polisher will have to wait for a while. Have to replenish the account after the battering it has taken lately. Wifes orders! :toetapping: :grin:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on November 25, 2013, 08:51:28 PM
Thanks very much, Rocket  :thumb: It was surprising when I went for a run as a passenger in it, just how many people stop to take take photos or were filming us. My wife said that is pretty much what happens every time she goes out. I guess you just don't see too many people going to the shops in a horse and cart any more  :lol:

Keep the boss happy, Rocket. Give it a week and test the waters again  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on November 29, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
Today I finished a 4 stage Menzerna Polish on the 68 Gulfstream Aqua Coupe. This car has what I call show car paint. It was painted about 5 years ago and had been maintained well up to the last few months. I had the car at our factory and although it was locked inside at night, through the daytime it was parked outside and after a while the paint became a bit rough due to industrial fallout and rain. It had a lot of water marks in the paint. A bit slack on my part to let it get like that.

Polishes used were Menzerna -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02933.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02933.jpg.html)

Polishing machines - The Flex Rotary for the first two stages followed by the Flex Forced rotation dual action XC3401VRG -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02934-1.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02934-1.jpg.html)

Stage1 PG1000 with Orange Lake Country Pad, Stage2 PF2500 with White Lake Country Pad, Stage3 PO106FF ( now called SF4000 ) with green Lake Country Polishing Pad, Stage4 SF4500 on Black Lake Country Pad.

Total time 16 Hours spread over the last week whenever there was time to hook in. Today i polished the drivers side to finish off the job.

Here is how it looked after the first 2 stages


(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02943.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02943.jpg.html)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02942-1.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02942-1.jpg.html)

Removed the masking tape from the door seams after the second stage because polish was trapped in the tape and the machine was dragging the polish back onto the polished areas -

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02948.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02948.jpg.html)

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/rocket67/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02947.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/media/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing/DSC02947.jpg.html)
 
Tomorrow i will give the car a wash with Citrus Wash and Gloss followed by two coats of Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Wax. Will post up some finished photos when it is all done.

More photos here -  http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rocket67/library/Autopian%20Car%20Polishing)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on December 04, 2013, 06:56:06 PM
A friend rang me just now saying he wants to buy an orbital polisher, so which one to get ?

I suggested the Flex 3401 and so he says he was looking at a Rupes Big Foot.

They seem to be about the same price ... So which one ?

Cheers,
Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 04, 2013, 07:34:49 PM
Toss a coin :grin: :bolt:


Hi Frank, Good question! I really like my Flex XC 3401 VRG. It is a well balanced and smooth operating Polishing Machine.

The Flex has a throw of 8mm whereas the Rupes LHR21E Bigfoot has a throw of 21mm. ( there is a new one available with a throw of 15mm but it costs $100 more )

In inexperienced hands the 21mm throw of the Rupes could cause problems with hitting mirrors, chrome mouldings etc. The 8mm throw of the Flex makes it an easier machine to use in that regard. The Flex is easy for anybody to operate as their first specialist polisher. The trade off is that the Rupes will polish a car much quicker than the Flex.

Here is some reading material from experienced users - Note that the author at the first Link may be a bit biased toward the Flex.

http://www.detailingworld.com/forum/showthread.php?s=d2438ce3a32210a67b7febdfc729b78c&t=263547 (http://www.detailingworld.com/forum/showthread.php?s=d2438ce3a32210a67b7febdfc729b78c&t=263547)

http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/129319-optimizing-performance-of-the-rupes-bigfoot-lhr15es-and-lhr21es/ (http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/129319-optimizing-performance-of-the-rupes-bigfoot-lhr15es-and-lhr21es/)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/58875-flex-3401-rupes-bigfoot-2.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/58875-flex-3401-rupes-bigfoot-2.html)

I have not used the Rupes Machine - but I would like to give it a go.

Just to add to the confusion, there is another entrant into the market. It is a Chinese copy of the Bigfoot which is receiving good reviews. Link -

http://www.detailingworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322032 (http://www.detailingworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322032)

The following Thread seems to be Americans doing their best to knock the Chinese machine. Crappy Thread really.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-tools-accessories/73237-rupes-knock-off.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-tools-accessories/73237-rupes-knock-off.html)

Happy reading.

Rocket.

 
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Frank70 on December 04, 2013, 08:36:48 PM
Thanks Rocket.

Great explanation.

Cheers,
Frank.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 11, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
Just got a 20% discount offer from Chemical Guys for products from this list.

http://www.chemicalguys.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=249&Click=51683&show=500&page=1 (http://www.chemicalguys.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=249&Click=51683&show=500&page=1)

I'm not going to use it, someone else might. But be quick, it expires 12/12/13

Code - WM8686

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mattstruck on December 17, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Rocket you are a fair dinkum asset to this site!  You do amazing work!! :omg:

Quick question.  Mrs has a brand new car.  What should I protect the paint with?  If anything?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 18, 2013, 02:22:20 AM
Hi mattstruck, Thanks for your kind words.

Good idea to protect the paint on your wifes new car. A good washing and wax routine will keep that paint looking great for years.

Ask her to never ever go through a brush type car wash. Best to wash by hand once a week using a good car wash like Chemguys Citrus Wash and Gloss together with a Chenille washing mitt and after a good rinse dry with either a waffle weave drying towel or a good chamois. I am currently using a " Aion" brand synthetic chamois.

Protect the paint by waxing every six weeks or so after washing and drying the car. DP MaxWax is an excellent wax to use which only costs about $40 from Waxit. The wax adds a protective layer to the paint which will make the car easier to wash, prevents etching of the paint by bird droppings etc, gives the car a nice shine and also keeps the paint lubricated.

You could even apply a sealant like jetseal109 before waxing, but I have come to the conclusion that it takes a long time to do and probably not worth the effort on a daily drive car.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 18, 2013, 10:39:51 PM
I used the Citrus wash for the first time yesterday. I loved it. Thanks again for another good recommendation, Rocket.  :thumb:
It's a whole lot better than the who knows what stuff I was using before. I was even surprised at how it even easily cleaned off the majority or long-term baked on dead bugs on the front of the car.

I did a bit of chrissy shopping for my Dad and doubled up on things for myself.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG7133_zpsb38316ba.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG7133_zpsb38316ba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 19, 2013, 09:02:29 AM
Hi Ash, Yep... Citrus Wash and Gloss really is that good.

It is highly concentrated so just use one capful to a bucket of water after a good shaking. Any more and it will strip the wax or sealant off.

Good haul you have there. Please let us know how the Microfiber wash goes. I use the one in powder form, but keen to try the one you bought.

Have you managed to use the new Flex polisher yet?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 19, 2013, 09:15:55 AM
Hey Rocket,

They got the delivery out real fast too. I was surprised, I expected it to take longer. The discount code is working fine as well  :thumb:

I only put a squirt in the bottom of the bucket, barely a dent on the bottle, so it will go a long way. I had just returned from a fishing trip in the National Park and the car was quite muddy/dusty. Barely any effort and it came up a million bucks.

I got Dad some of the same microfiber cloths last Christmas so am sure they'll be due for a wash. I'll get him to give the cleaner a go and see how they come up and let you know. I think it was only $12 or something for the bottle but I wanted it to feel sure they cleaned well for the next use.

No not yet, haven't started the paint work yet. Really need to get this Christmas thing out of the way so life can calm down a bit. It's that crazy time of year. The good news is I think the spending is done now but my wallet needs some recuperation. It's feeling a little sad and abused.  :nopity: :grin:

Cheers
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 19, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
Just putting a question out there for all. Does anybody know what the small yellow dots that appear on the car are?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on December 19, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
Do you mean after you wash the car or after it rains and it leaves marks ,know as acid rain marks .Can really show up on red cars .
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 65muzzy on December 19, 2013, 10:43:11 PM
Do you mean after you wash the car or after it rains and it leaves marks ,know as acid rain marks .Can really show up on red cars .
I've not noticed this after washing the car or after rain. These yellow dots just appear after parking the car outdoors.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on December 19, 2013, 10:49:31 PM
I dont know , maybe you should join all the yellow dots up and see what happens  :grin:   sorry mate i just had to say it .    :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on December 19, 2013, 10:57:57 PM
Isn't it pollen, bee/insect poo, sap or possibly unicorn tears?

I know I've read other discussions on this but am not sure what it actually is.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: GLENN 70 on December 19, 2013, 11:06:20 PM
My 70 mach 1 is bright yellow and every bee ,bug, insect lands on it ,they think its a big flower ,then they shit on it  or use it for target practice ,truly .    :cry:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 69ISH on December 19, 2013, 11:29:14 PM
My 70 mach 1 is bright yellow and every bee ,bug, insect lands on it ,they think its a big flower ,then they shit on it  or use it for target practice ,truly .    :cry:
Same thing use to happen on my Eliminator but my Yellow was not that bright but always attracted bugs/insects
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: CPU on December 20, 2013, 12:22:03 AM
Hi Guys.  With this thread generation so much interest we have moved it out of general chat and into the Mustang chat room. :hi:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on December 22, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
Here you go gents, last few weeks job. Holden HSV ute, custom colour I mixed, pictures don't really do it justice. basically black base with heaps of purple pearl and some zeralic for some extra pop in the sun, 4 coats of MS clear. Rubbed it with 800, 1500, 2500 and cut it "only" with Menzerna 1000 on a rupes rotatory buff, no special pad, just plain old or orange sponge, it's killer in the sun goes from black to purple. The owner will fit it up and we will do a full cut up to 4500 Menzerna, can't wait looks whickered now. notice the XY shaker in the reflection! Tried some new paint on it General ROK works a treat, clear is a bit fast, slow reducer I think would flow it out better, but it cut up fine.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn64/shaunp289/20131211_150048_zps8752154b.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/shaunp289/media/20131211_150048_zps8752154b.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn64/shaunp289/20131211_145619_zps95ff1771.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/shaunp289/media/20131211_145619_zps95ff1771.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on December 23, 2013, 07:58:43 AM
Hi shaunp, That sure is a killer shine. Looks fantastic. :thumb:

I am guessing next stage is 2500, then 4000 and finally 4500.

By the time you finish off with the Menzerna 4500 it is going to be sensational.

Hope you post up some photos again when it is finished.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jlao6 on December 23, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Nice work shaunp! Also, here is a great review on various polishes if you have no time to 3 step:

http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/detailing-product-reviews/42780-ultimate-1-step-showdown.html (http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/detailing-product-reviews/42780-ultimate-1-step-showdown.html)

John
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 67fasty.sm on January 02, 2014, 05:09:31 PM
hey Rocket thanks for this thread just what i was looking for . I noticed that you were asking about anyone who had hand rubbed I been doing it since i got married  :lmao: :lmao: and then decided to hand rub the boot of the stang , tehe worked out ok but all the info you have put up will give it a real top finish i hope .
We sprayed in acrylic . we had to lay the stripes down over the white then clear , let sit for a few mths , then blocked out the edges of the stripes with 800 re-cleared , then 1500 followed by 2000 and then the compound by hand.

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/67fastysm/010_zps3687368b.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/67fastysm/media/010_zps3687368b.jpg.html)

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/67fastysm/023_zpse72121f8.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/67fastysm/media/023_zpse72121f8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 04, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
Just learnt a lesson in polishing. Gave a car a nice citrus wash, this car hasn't seen a bucket of suds in many many years. The citrus cleans very well for just doing a wash. There were some stains/marks from being parked under a gum tree so I tried a little cutting polish on a cloth by hand to remove them but with a broken rib and a recently dislocated shoulder, this activity which I thought might be ok for 'light duties', turned out not to be. Think I might have a rest and possibly a little sleep instead. Might try to machine polish it later. Will see if that is ok for light duties.  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 05, 2014, 08:55:59 AM
Got my new Flex out for the first time yesterday afternoon. What a pleasure it is to use. Sure makes any other half assed attempt at polishing I've done in the past crap. All I really wanted to do was clean and give a shine to a bonnet and guard tops as they were stained and aged. The car is a ute so it has scratches and small dents, I only wanted it to look more presentable. Half and an hour and I was done. And as sore as I was, and still am, I was able to easily hold onto the Flex and work it around. The whole task was much easier than I expected.

Before

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG7363_zps1f15cdd4.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG7363_zps1f15cdd4.jpg.html)

After

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG7365_zps482cbd36.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG7365_zps482cbd36.jpg.html)

I found this a great learning process as I now understand at what stage the Menzerna 2500 works. At first I thought it would cut more but it didn't. There was a lot of crap on the paint and a clay bar before hand would have benefited but I wasn't up for that. I did have some other Meguiars something that was more of a cutting compound so used it first to clean the panel then followed it up with the Menzerna 2500 to buff out the Meguiars.

It was quite easy to just let the compound and foam pad to do the work. For me it was a little strange to use the large 6.5 inch pad. All my other woodworking tools have 5 inch or smaller and I often go for the 3 or 2 inch backing plate. But it didn't take long to get a feel for how it wanted to go. I also soon felt safe about not burning edges and what not. At a low speed with forced orbital, you have a lot of feel. I am very happy that I went with this model.

I'm looking forward to trying it again on some paint that is in better condition. Hopefully without a broken rib too. :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 05, 2014, 04:09:45 PM
hey Rocket thanks for this thread just what i was looking for . I noticed that you were asking about anyone who had hand rubbed I been doing it since i got married  :lmao: :lmao: and then decided to hand rub the boot of the stang , tehe worked out ok but all the info you have put up will give it a real top finish i hope .
We sprayed in acrylic . we had to lay the stripes down over the white then clear , let sit for a few mths , then blocked out the edges of the stripes with 800 re-cleared , then 1500 followed by 2000 and then the compound by hand.

67fasty, good thing all that hand rubbing did not send you blind :grin: :grin:

Looks like it was worth it for you - that boot lid has come up very nice indeed. Follow up with a machine polish and it will look stunning. :thumb:


Just learnt a lesson in polishing. Gave a car a nice citrus wash, this car hasn't seen a bucket of suds in many many years. The citrus cleans very well for just doing a wash. There were some stains/marks from being parked under a gum tree so I tried a little cutting polish on a cloth by hand to remove them but with a broken rib and a recently dislocated shoulder, this activity which I thought might be ok for 'light duties', turned out not to be. Think I might have a rest and possibly a little sleep instead. Might try to machine polish it later. Will see if that is ok for light duties.  :grin:

Hey Ash, Have you been on that bloody motorbike again? :grin:

The paint on the ute bonnet was pretty bad, but you sorted it very well. That is one heck of a difference you made. :thumb:

Hope your pain eases quickly so that you can hook in to the rest of it. :therethere:   :smile01:

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 05, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
Hey Rocket,

Cheers  :thumb:

No motorbikes this time. Due to no fault of my own, these cans of drink I had made my judgement a little off and I had a run in with a slip and slide. First jump down I managed to get hurt. Once my arm went back in place though, I kept going. Don't think a dozen more goes helped out either. :shrug: :grin:

I wont be going any further with the polishing. I did do the roof and sides but it is a ute and it has quite a few bumps and scratches around it. I just wanted to make it more presentable and I'm happy with how it turned out.

Before.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG7304_zpsd54791ba.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG7304_zpsd54791ba.jpg.html)

After.

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/CJ/IMAG7412_zps86f4515c.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/CJ/IMAG7412_zps86f4515c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 05, 2014, 10:12:23 PM
Looks to be a very tidy ute now. Top Job :thumb:

Sounds like those tinnies pack a punch! Good stuff, but all things are best in moderation. :grin:

By the way, who is the female in your avatar?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 05, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
Cheers, Rocket  :thumb:

By the way, who is the female in your avatar?

No idea, sorry. But someone who needs to respond to a high 5 when one is on offer  :grin:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2014, 05:40:54 PM
Yesterday I purchased a long term lesson in polishing and paint maintenance. This is going to be fun :ouch: :grin:

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/05%20Explorer/IMAG7586_zps035790fd.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/05%20Explorer/IMAG7586_zps035790fd.jpg.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on January 14, 2014, 06:01:09 PM
Ohh... That looks good... and BIG!

A nice dark colour... That will test out your skills :thumb:

Looking forward to before and after photos.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2014, 06:22:46 PM
I'm really happy with it. This makes two of them in my driveway now. Picked this up for a nice price and will be my daily/work car. The wife got sick of me driving hers so we got a second one. It's a great tow car plus a 7 seater with the works.

It's a very black car, Rocket. Should be a real test.
It has quite a few holograms around the front as it's just had some panel work after hitting a roo. I think I have the right tools to fix that so it'll be a good lesson. There's a few little scratches, not sure how they will clean up but other than some small shopping trolley dents, it's pretty good.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
Rocket, or anyone who might be able to help, I've been polishing some aluminium and all went well but now it has come to cleaning the pads. After two washes in the washing machine along with the microfibre towels, I used some of the Chem guys mircofibre cleaner first then just a normal wash. I did the second wash as the first was not enough. This is after the second wash and they are still very dirty. Any suggestions or should I just put them aside for aluminium only and buy some more to replace them?

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc407/ashjulesebay/ebay%203/IMAG8616_zps747d0c73.jpg) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/ashjulesebay/media/ebay%203/IMAG8616_zps747d0c73.jpg.html)

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 22, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
Hi Ash, Yes... I reckon they are fooked for polishing duties.

Did you ever get around to polishing the big black explorer?

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on March 22, 2014, 10:51:44 PM
Thought just as much. Cheers, Rocket. Will get some more ordered. Am loving the Flex by the way  :thumb:

No, I haven't seen the paint on the Explorer for weeks due to the layer of mud on it. We're getting a road upgrade on the main road coming into town. They expect it to be going until June/July which will most likely mean possibly Christmas. Other than driving in the rain, my car will most likely not see water as there is no real point until there's no more mud to drive on.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 22, 2014, 11:45:12 PM
Glad you like the Flex.

Sounds like you are in for a messy winter with the cars.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 67fasty.sm on March 29, 2014, 10:01:54 AM
ha, no rocket haven't gone competely blind yet , yep intend to finish off with a machine polish i found this kit available here in aus any thoughts on it . it looks to have most of the gear that you like .
thanks shane


http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/car_care_products/enthusiast_random_orbital_kit (http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/car_care_products/enthusiast_random_orbital_kit)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on March 29, 2014, 12:21:57 PM
Hi Shane, Yes... That kit is for the most part very good.

Only suggestion I would make is ask them to make a change to the Polish grades. I know you have already cut and buffed the Fastback with Farecla Compound, so no need to use the FG500 -That is too abrasive for your purpose in my opinion.

See if you can change the FG500 to SF4500. Then you use the PF2500 first with a Orange Lake Country Pad, then SF4000 with a White Lake Country pad, followed by the SF4500 on a Black Lake Country Pad.

The SF4500 is a final step Refining polish.

That is what I would do anyway. Hope that helps.

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: 67fasty.sm on March 29, 2014, 04:50:44 PM
Rocket thankyou very much for your help  :thumb: will do and swap it round if i can else will just get the extra compound that i will need.  :cheers:
Regards Shane
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on April 05, 2014, 08:54:01 AM
Hey Guys,

Just got an email from Waxit & a new sealer caught my eye: http://waxit.com.au/p/8696680/carpro-cquartz-uk-edition-50ml.html (http://waxit.com.au/p/8696680/carpro-cquartz-uk-edition-50ml.html)

Anyone used this yet? A quick Google returned some positive results.
I've been fighting a losing battle with keeping my paint flawless. I've had issues with watermarks, light scratching from cleaning, etc. A couple of panels copped some radioactive bird sh1t recently which has made a real mess. WTF do these birds eat???? :omg: I've given up on the Jetseal for the moment as I'm not convinced it's adding much protection. Amazing finish but the paint still seems to stain/mark easily. I'd be interested to hear opinions on CarPro CQuartz which is ceramic based & has a two year life expectancy.
The painter is about to repair & repaint a couple of panels & once he's finished, I'm going to give the car another corrective polish. Hopefully I can cut the bird sh1t damage out! Once the paint's perfect, I need to decide which sealer to use, followed by Rocket's trusty Max Wax. Love this stuff Rocket, just see the latest pic below:

Evan.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5220/13480930594_b28a93c477.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mxghZQ)
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: rocket on April 05, 2014, 09:32:39 AM
Evan, That car is gorgeous! Paint looks flawless in the photo.

A lot of Detailers seem to be moving away from normal Sealants now in favour of  Ceramic coatings like cquartz and Opti Coat. Have not tried them myself but the theory is that when cured they are a solid barrier to things like bird poop.

Will do some studying tonight but in the mean time here are a couple of Links

 http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/78327-opti-coat.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/78327-opti-coat.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/72474-review-how-black-label-diamond-paint-coating.html (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/72474-review-how-black-label-diamond-paint-coating.html)

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=335115 (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=335115)

Rocket.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: evan on April 05, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
Thanks mate. All your advice has really paid off. I can't go anywhere without somebody mentioning the paintwork! I guess I'm the only one that notices the small flaws. Once the painter finishes the touch-ups, I'd like to get it close to perfect & add some protection. I'll have a read of the links when I get some spare time.

Evan.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Jetta on August 06, 2014, 09:44:43 PM
Hi guys,

I know this topic hasn't been accessed for a while but I wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed, especially Rocket. I am just about to start learning to use a DA so this has been a wonderful place to start.

I noticed this deal a few days ago and thought someone might be interested if they are looking for a good deal on some new Chem Guys pads. Postage for me was about $20 for each pack.

6.5" Pads:
http://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys-BUF_HEXKITS_8-Hex-Logic-Buffing/dp/B00BTGDRB8 (http://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys-BUF_HEXKITS_8-Hex-Logic-Buffing/dp/B00BTGDRB8)

5.5" Pads:
http://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys-BUF_HEXKITS_8P-Hex-Logic-Buffing/dp/B00BTGDR9A/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1407325630&sr=1-2&keywords=hex-logic (http://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys-BUF_HEXKITS_8P-Hex-Logic-Buffing/dp/B00BTGDR9A/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1407325630&sr=1-2&keywords=hex-logic)

Thanks again.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on August 06, 2014, 09:51:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Jetta. That was a great find.  I just purchased a set myself. Thank you  :thumb:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Jetta on August 07, 2014, 08:08:30 AM
Lol Ash...... fastest purchase ever!
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Ash on August 07, 2014, 08:13:05 AM
 :grin:
I've been meaning to replace two of the pads in my set as I ruined them polishing aluminium. You gave me a good excuse to buy even more of them  :lol:
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: shaunp on October 22, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
Seems you can't get Menzerna any more, so thought I'd try some Scholl concepts on fresh black 2 pack. Deep black tinter with 4 coats of High solid Sikkens Clear. rubbed with 1500 cut with S3 and orange lake country pad. 92 Trans-am vert. Colour change from red to black. This is great compound, black car not a swirl to be seen. I got S17 & 30, but the 3 did a great job, extremely fast cutting action, need keep it wet


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(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn64/shaunp289/20141003_104935_zps4e4459a2.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/shaunp289/media/20141003_104935_zps4e4459a2.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: jusTANG on February 21, 2015, 01:53:49 PM
have been away for a while and no polishing what to speak of being done for a long while now so came back to refresh only to find the passing of Rocket late last year.
Without Rocket this thread would never have started and I for one would not be able to polish and receive the compliments I do on my cars.  Thanks Rocket and the times we spoke on the phone you were a true gentleman and all to kind to pass on your advice and knowledge to almost complete strangers.

RIP Rocket and condolences to Jeremy and Family

Keep sharing tip's, products and projects I say and keep this thread going
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: OTF Images on February 24, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
Hey guys,
I have been detailing for a while on a part time basis.
Happy to help out with any questions or any locals ACT/NSW to.
Keen to read other ideas to.

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I also do some metal polishing to
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Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Geronimo on October 16, 2015, 06:53:16 PM
Hi, I also have a jet black 15 year old Goldwing in the stable,
still looks like it just rolled out of the showroom
Plexus ( spray can ) keeps it immaculate, light spray on light cloth off,
It is specifically made to fill minute scratches in aircraft acrylic windscreens.
Works a treat, you need to have a mirror finish to start with because it has no cutting ability.
Cheers,
Once upon a time I also had a Daimler XJ6 Coupe, Mr Sheen did a great job on that one.
I kid you not.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Dwayne on January 08, 2016, 10:40:31 PM
I've been using HD polishes and the Kamikaze range from Detail Central lately with great results, particularly ISM and Overcoat on clear coated cars. Some great reviews on a huge range of products on the detailparadise.com.au forum that are worth checking out.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: mwizz on January 09, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Just read up above that you can't get Menzerna polishes anymore. I checked on Google and appears it is now available again as I found some at the Car Care Products site.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: louist1991 on April 06, 2016, 09:20:23 AM
Can anyone recommend a good product for leather cleaning?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Dwayne on April 06, 2016, 09:28:55 AM
Can anyone recommend a good product for leather cleaning?

What type of leather is it... new coated leather, old real leather etc???

For new coated leather I use Zaino products from Waxit or ZAS.

Old or european nappa leather I use the Leatherique system from Car Care products.
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: uber2au on August 13, 2016, 04:29:18 PM
Just picked up my car from Daniel in Ferntree Gully, he did a beautiful job with a paint correction, followed by opticoat paint protection.  Highly recommend him and Kustom Tinting who also tinted my Mustang.

Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: minipete on March 04, 2017, 10:56:12 AM
Can anyone recommend a good product for leather cleaning?

I found a tip on a detailing forum about using Softly Wool Conditioner 1:6 with water, apparently recommended by Lexus. 

I've tried it and it works a treat.

Pete
65 Coupe
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Pagey on June 22, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
Has anyone used the new Fast Finsh product from Meguiars yet?
Title: Re: CAR POLISH
Post by: Moyzee on September 25, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
I've been using good ol turtle wax and amour all on my cars for years..... could never really justify the expensive stuff. But when a professional does it with the machine the cars come our amazing