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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2016, 07:00:30 PM »
Today I went to Raven Motorsport and picked up 4x Modified and crack tested XF falcon stub axels, 4x AU Falcon rotors, along with hubs and a pair of brackets to run a Corvette caliper.

These parts were originally run on John Bowes "Mustang Sally" in group N before it was built into a TCM car. So Im sure it will be more than enough for what I want.

All I need now is a pair of Wilwood D8-6 calipers and a set of pads (Probably EBC yellows). The best parts is that I'll be coming in under budget at somewhere around $1500 fot the whole front brake setup!

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2016, 10:05:24 AM »
Great result, you'll need some xf tie rods as well cause the taper is bigger. They will also have less ackerman angle so it will make it more snapy

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2016, 11:13:40 AM »
I've got Baer outer tie rods so I might have to get new tapered pins made. Or I think Hoppers Stopper makes a tapered sleeve that presses into the stub axel to reduce it to Mustang size.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2016, 06:59:37 PM »
Would you be able to post some pictures of the setup?

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2016, 07:18:22 PM »
Not much to look at other than the brackets that attach the Corvette rotors. If you can get someone to make you the brackets the rest can be bought off the shelf.

I'll be running a 298x28mm DBA T3 4000 series rotor from a FG Falcon and Wilwoods D8-4 Corvette replacement rotor.

« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 07:23:02 PM by BlackNotchBack »

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2016, 08:03:18 PM »
Thanks for taking the time for the picture! What hub does the setup use? I presume a drum hub?

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2016, 08:27:00 PM »
Not a drum spindle as the axel is to thin for serious braking requirements.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2016, 09:52:27 PM »
As far as I know the hubs are a factory Ford part. I can certainly post some more photos once I seperate the rotors from the hubs.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2016, 12:05:06 PM »
Nice rotor. I used T3 4000's on my Evo 8

Go all out and throw in some Circo/Winmax pads while your at it..  :thumb:  :lol:

Savy Motorsport also do a custom rotor from DBA for NB, NC.

https://savymotorsport.com.au/product-category/brakes/brake-rotors/
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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2016, 04:06:05 PM »
Does anyone know if the steering arm on the XF stub axel is higher or lower than a "66? I'm hoping its higher so I can just adjust the shims on my tie rods to compensate.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2016, 04:48:12 PM »
Does anyone know if the steering arm on the XF stub axel is higher or lower than a "66? I'm hoping its higher so I can just adjust the shims on my tie rods to compensate.

Call John Greene Probe engineering Wynnum 0733966033, He bends them for Woody on his jig and crack tests them. He'll tell you, he's been doing them since the 80's.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2019, 03:18:08 PM »

I am wanting to stick with 15 inch wheel which is where the difficulty is. At the top of the tree would be the Street or Track Tans-am setup but with postage and duty they will be $3000+.

I've also seen the Dynapro kit from Wilwood as well as similar setups from Baer and SSBC all coming in around $1500. The only issue with these style of kits are the relatively narrow rotors.

Am I missing anything? Is there a brake kit available that sits somewhere between Wilwood and Street or Tracks kits?

Reviving an old thread - hoping for an update from Justin or in general (any new thoughts?)

Same situation, 65 FB that is only used for light track/fun but want to upgrade the brakes

1 - Have standard single pot disks on 11" rotors (I think, pic below if someone can confirm)
2 - I think I have standard V8 disk spindles (pic below, hard to see without removing disk)

I want to keep my 15" rims but only do the job once (thinking 12" or so rotors, decent thickness) - read the thread, prefer an "off the shelf" type solution

I think I understand the issue with the narrow Wilwoods (fade, heat dissipation) but they are cheapish - next level seems to be the the street or track (http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-12-Trans-Am-Front-Disk-Brake-Kit-pr-24455.html) or similar from Cobra automotive, probably 3k landed

Happy to look local (but want a kit) for something like what TCM/Transam/N use

Has anyone heard of these guys - https://vari.com.au/product/coming-soon-gt-kits/ (not really related to the South African company any more), he can do a kits for a mustang (in 6 or 4 pot) for around 2500 - evidently he has quite a few setups in targa etc

Summary - track car, really only playing in CAMS General A/B, want to keep 15 inch rims but want decent front brakes - bang for buck so to speak (without spending 3k plus)

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2019, 06:16:39 PM »
Talk to Hopper Stoppers in VIC. They can do a 12 (300mm) disc, twin pot kit from PBR (Basically, a Falcon kit) for around $1500. Ive have had this setup with slotted rotors on my 66 for about 9 or 10 yeas now, no problems. The only upgrade Ive done since is to install quality Bendix pads, I have soft/medium.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2019, 09:26:02 AM »
UPC do a kit with BA rotors and Commodore PBR calipers, to fit Falcon stub axles, they charge 1200 but I got set on their ebay sale for 600. You have falcon stub axles by the look, you need check if they are small or large bearing. If you put a set of ECB pads in these I think you could get away with them for sprints etc. I'm going give them ago, but I also have some calipers from one of Fataz racing's Tran-am cars, these fit in a 15"

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2019, 10:14:23 AM »
if they make for your car, the wildood radial calipers and their extra thick, large diameter discs can't easily be beat.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2019, 11:37:59 AM »
thanks guys, more homework for me - will try and get the disks off this WE to ID the spindles

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2019, 03:23:30 PM »
Pertinent thread, I was doing some research recently to see if i can upgrade the single pot calipers.
This was the response I received from Wilwood.

Hello,

Thank you for the inquiry with Wilwood Disc Brakes.

Yes the 140-13477 kit will fit the OEM 1970 disc brake spindles. If you already have a power disc/drum master cylinder setup you can use it with our kit if youd like. We also have master cylinders available. If you plan to upgrade to disc brakes in the future it is a good idea to upgrade the master cylinder to a disc/disc version. For example:
https://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinders/MasterCylinderProd?itemno=261-14963-BK

For the rear end, we need a bit more information regarding your axle housing flange and axle offset so we can identify the proper Wilwood kit options. Unfortunately there are inconsistencies from the OEM & aftermarket with many of the older style rear ends, so taking the axle offset and axle housing flange measurements from your specific rear end is very important.         

Below is a link to our axle flange identification diagrams. You can use these diagrams to identify which axle housing flange your rear end has, based on the measurements of center hole to center hole of the axle housing flange around the bearing, as well as the bearing tubing O.D.

Next, you can measure the axle offset from the front face of axle housing flange to the front face of the axle flange, where the back of the wheel touches. Please use the diagrams at the link below to guide you in confirming your rear end:
           
https://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitAxleFlange

Once we know your axle housing flange and axle offset dimensions, we would be happy to go over the available rear kit options with you.



Regards,
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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2019, 09:58:34 PM »
Gbader,
Given intent with your car if I was you I would start with some big bearing mustang, local ford or aftermarket spindles and work from their with your brake package.

One day when i have some spare time .....in 2021 ... I need to check out the beast.

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2019, 03:05:19 PM »
Gbader,
Given intent with your car if I was you I would start with some big bearing mustang, local ford or aftermarket spindles and work from their with your brake package.

One day when i have some spare time .....in 2021 ... I need to check out the beast.

Trav

For sure

I am now (brakes) leaning towards just 4 pot Kelsey - theory being that this still keeps me class compatible should I want to move into Historics or the lower Targa classes. Will be better than I have, but not "the best" so to speak




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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #70 on: September 06, 2019, 09:36:28 PM »
Maybe check out CSRP kits.. think they do oem style kits and even do the early spindles with big bearing stub shaft which I reckom would be prudent.

Would need some good pads, fluid and lines too - ss braid prob cant hurt. I work in industrial hydraulics its interesting how hyd hoses can effect "stiffeness" of a system.


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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2019, 09:40:25 AM »
For sure

I am now (brakes) leaning towards just 4 pot Kelsey - theory being that this still keeps me class compatible should I want to move into Historics or the lower Targa classes. Will be better than I have, but not "the best" so to speak

They wont fit on your current stub axles

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2019, 01:21:58 PM »
OK - getting there (slowly)

Disk off  - thinking these are upgraded spindles (big bearing, 68 style?) - like https://www.stang-aholics.com/i-24969911-65-73-mustang-disc-brake-large-bearing-spindles-70-73-oem-style.html


I don't think there is (I can't find) a 4 pot solution that uses the existing spindle caliper mounts - most seem to use an adapter on the hub (so, assuming any new kit can mount to the 3 hole hub, I should be fine?

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Re: Best front brakes under $2000 for 15" wheels
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2019, 01:30:42 PM »
Likely Aussie Falcon, or Granada I'd say. You'd need the the part number off them, Big bearing start at XB, Fataz racing in Brisbane mount big 4 pot  brakes on these for Trans-am cars either Willwoods or ones made by TBS here in Brisbane. The TA cars run 15" wheel by the rules, Talk to Ian Woodward.

http://www.fataz.com.au/
http://bhss.com.au/
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